Can one healing technique work for everybody?

It's horses for courses -or is it?

Is it true that no one technique can work for everyone; that we need to “shop around” in order to find what works for us?  I think that most healers believe this, not because it is true but because it is what we’ve been told.  After all, shopping around is good for the economy right?  Well yes, but it is not necessarily good for you or your wallet!

Today I’m going to put forward the radical idea that you don’t have to shop around.  If something “works” to fix problem X in someone else, then it should work for you too.  And if it doesn’t, well it probably never really worked anyway. (See yesterday’s post for my definition of “works,” it may not be as simple as you think).

I received a comment yesterday from a reader, Michaela, who said:

If something “works” for a lot of people, it doesn’t mean that it has to work for me, too. …  Even though I think there’s not “one thing” that works for all people and problems.

I really believe that this is untrue. That if something truly works, it should be universal. In fact I think that’s what “works” should mean.

Think about it like this – if a therapy works on one person in a hundred, and you are that one person, does that mean that it “worked” for you? No, it means that you were lucky and probably the placebo effect helped.  If something works, it really works.  Maybe not 100% but when it fails we should understand why.

For example, antibiotics work.  No one doubts that antibiotics kill bacteria.  But what about when antibiotics don’t work?  Unfortunately, some bacteria have grown resistant to antibiotics and have evolved resistance.  So in this case we can still say antibiotics work, but we acknowledge that there’s a valid exception.  Antibiotics still “work” but the target is getting stronger.

Can we aim for 100%?

I don’t believe we will ever get 100% success with RPT because we cannot control everyone.  People are unique, they have what used to be called “free will.”  It is within the client’s right and power to not heal.

Here are the leading reasons why a client won’t heal, even with the best technique or medicine:

  1. secondary gain – even a perfect technique can be blocked if someone has an investment in it failing, such as an insurance claim.  This is why clearing secondary gain is a huge part of RPT.  We have excellent success with it, but not all secondary gain can be instantly healed (for instance relying on the insurance claim).
  2. not taking personal responsibility – sometimes it’s easier to blame others than to make changes in your life.
  3. more than one session is needed – often a client needs 2-3 sessions for results to appear, but they only give you one chance.  I often think “we really could have healed that had he been willing to do a 2nd session. Unfortunately the McDonalds-ification of healing means that people want the instant quick fix, and it doesn’t work that way for everyone.  This is my pet hate. They’ll see a chiropractor for 2 years, but if I haven’t fixed their pain in 1 session I’ll never see them again!
  4. external blocks – in this category I would include sabotage from the outside like an unsupportive partner, an abusive person interfering with treatment, or other factors that really can’t be “healed” as such, but which need a lifestyle change.  The worst example I ever saw – I helped a client release her trauma from being stalked.  She felt better and went home.  The next week the stalker contacted her again.  She was re-traumatised.  She then told many people online that “RPT doesn’t work.”  WTF? Somehow I was meant to not only clear past trauma but the future trauma too.  I wish I could.

Back to the subject at hand.  In my heart I believe that if something truly “works” then it works for 100% of people. That’s because we are all brothers and sisters. I don’t mean that in the New Age “We Are All One” sense (though that is true).  I mean it in the biological sense.  We share 99.999% of DNA, our issues are universal.  The human condition is the human condition, whether you are a rich overweight white guy in the USA or a poor malnourished woman in Ethiopia struggling to feed her baby.  We all have the same basic “stuff.”  This is what Evette and I learned from teaching on 5 continents.

And for that reason I believe that a healing technique that works, whether RPT or Peak States or something not yet invented, it will work for everyone.

The only blocks are the type of things I listed above, and they will block EVERYTHING.  Those 4 blocks are not blocks to a given modality. They are blocks to healing generally.

Comments needed

Perhaps more than ever before, I need your feedback on this one.

For instance – what has your experience of the healing journey been? I’m especially interested to hear from people who had a problem which could not be healed for a long time, with many techniques, but then was healed by a different technique.  What do you think changed? Was it the technique, or something within yourself?

What do you think of my 4 reasons why healing may not work?  Do you identify with any of these?  Can you suggest others?

I look forward to hearing from you.

Blessings

Simon

 

32 Comments
February 24, 2012 in Placebo effect, RPT theory and teachings
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32 Responses

  1. Hi Simon

    Thanks for the blog and I will give you some feedback as to my journey. I had a respiratory arrest in 2007 after having bout after bout of chest infections. Having survived I heard about another therapy that I won’t mention, I spent the money and took the courses, achieving Advanced Level. It worked for a little but nothing sustained the result I was looking for. Then I heard about RPT and thought hmmm give it a try, for me it felt right, I can’t explain it just did deep within my gut. I signed on the workshop that you and Evette organised in 2009, I gave myself no expectations as working as a therapist for the past 10 years I was still not healthy, so my only focus was to breathe effortlessly. I took the Level 1 and Level 2 Course over the 5 days and hey first time we carried out a method, boom I went straight to the origin or the trauma for me regarding breathing. I can honestly say I breathe effortlessly. So thank you. Regarding Secondary Gain I have Secondary Gain but I am not aware of it, or could it be that I just won’t look towards it. I find this a fasinating subject and would like more information on it when you have time.

    Regarding the question did you heal from another technique, the answer is yes. I heard about The Healing Codes Alex Lloyd (USA). I went on a 1 day work shop, I had suffered recurring ear infections for the past 20 plus years and just accepted that was part of my life, I had no intention as to what I wanted healing from this workshop, although I have mentioned the ear infections, again I went open minded as I can be at this time. When it was time to share the information and technique with a partner at the workshop all we were told was focus on unconditional love, so I focused on my Grandson Noah, at the time he was 13 months old, a new addition to the family, the first male for 50 years. That is all I focused on sending Noah love and receiving love back from Noah in my mind. After 20 mins of the technique being performed I didn’t feel any change but noticed that as the hours passed on the workshop that I no longer could feel discomfort, pain, throbbing etc., etc from my ears, for me a complete result and today I feel exactly the same way. I no longer have problems with my ears and I am thankful that I was in the right place at the right time. You wanted to know what changed why this particular healing technique worked for me, I was easy, unconditional love for my Grandson Noah and I didn’t have to do anything else other than think of unconditional love which for me was Noah in my life. So I have used The Healing Codes over the past 5 months and can say that I feel calmer, less anxious, not as much weeping as I once did and no longer have unhealthy thoughts that crowd the mind and distract you from living a healthier and more balanced life. I use RPT and The Healing Codes on a daily basis and find the 2 combined healing techniques work for me.

    I hope you find my little story informative.

    Love, Life, and Light to you and Evette

    M x

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Dear Monica
    Thanks for sharing your inspiring story! I’d love to know if we can use your experience with RPT as a course testimonial. I do often hear these stories after a workshop but I guess I’m slack at collecting testimonials. When a prospective student asks I’m usually like “um, we have lots of miracles but I don’t have any names to hand….” If you are happy to write up the story (just a bit more detail) about it please let me know. You can post it here or email enquiries @ rptemail . com [just remove the spaces which I added to reduce spam].

    Please allow me to clarify something which may have been unclear:
    > Regarding the question did you heal from another technique,

    Actually I didn’t ask this. I am delighted to hear your story but my question was different.

    What I’m wondering is this: do you or anyone have stories about how one technique could not heal X, but another technique could. EG Shane shared that his injury didn’t heal from RPT but needed Pilates [as I replied, this isn't really a fair comment because if he were my client I would have sent him for yoga or similar as well as RPT]. That’s the kind of feedback I’m interested in. It will help to test my theory that the things that block RPT are things that would block ANYTHING.

    It’s also interesting to hear the reverse – as you said your respiratory issue didn’t get better despite working as a therapist. So it begs the question of what RPT did that other techniques didn’t. You answered that by mentioning going to the original trauma. that really is the key isn’t it?

    Thanks again for sharing your wonderful healing stories.

    Blessings
    Simon

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  2. There’s science as applied to inanimate objects and there’s science applied to sentient beings. When it comes to the science of inanimate objects (aka physics and chemistry) there’s an expectation of a 100% success rate. An 80% success rate for curing illnesses would be regarded as pretty good but imagine applying that standard to aviation! The aviation industry wouldn’t exist with that sort of success rate. However when to the science of healing, an 80% success rate would be regarded as fairly good. It’s not necessarily that there are too many variables but more a case of free will and the subjectivity of it. If all healing techniques are really just permission slips to allow the client to heal themselves then we can aim for 100% but will probably never get there because you can’t overrule a person’s will.

    However, what you might be able to do is to better identify the type of client that isn’t going to benefit and the reasons why. For example, if a secondary gain is identified but it becomes apparent that the client simply isn’t willing to acknowledge it or let it go, the person won’t heal but you’ll know why and can thus judge when to stop wasting each others’ time. In a way, you could actually consider that to be a successful session even though the person didn’t heal.

    I’ve had several instances where I’ve had to try different techniques before one clicked with a particular condition. TH was spectacularly successful for my hernia and an eye injury but useless for other things. RPT helped with a couple of injuries I had but failed for a chronic shoulder injury. Then I did pilates and the shoulder healed and has never been a problem since. EFT was amazing for dealing with grief and guilt issues after my mother died but less useful for other things. I’ve got a chronic hip condition that no conservative or alternative therapy has worked for so I’m having surgery to fix it. As you said, horses for courses.

    I’d add a 5th reason for why some conditions don’t heal with alternative therapies – a solid disbelief in the efficacy of alternative therapies (either at all or for certain types of conditions). I think that’s possibly why I feel my only option for my hip condition is surgery. Without going into the details, it’s a condition where the heads of the femurs are misshapen and obstruct / impinge on the hip joint and I find it difficult to believe that such a thing could be cured by anything other than physical surgical intervention. Whilst surgery is going to be painful and expensive, I have such a high degree of confidence in the procedure and the surgeon that I’m expecting a fantastic outcome and to come out of it feeling like a new man. Rather than dreading the surgery, I’m actually looking forward to it and find it quite exciting so, under those circumstances, I think that’s the best option. And that’s coming from a person whose hernia healed instantly from an alternative therapy technique – go figure! In the case of the hernia though, I was mentally in a different space. Firstly, it’s soft tissue (as opposed to bone) which I feel is more malleable and, whilst I thought I was heading towards surgery, I wasn’t there yet and was still holding out hope that it would go away without having surgery.

    From a LOA perspective, I believe that if you have a solid intention to heal and are in alignment with that, the right solution for the individual will present itself. If that’s RPT, it’s RPT. If it’s surgery, it’s surgery. If its slapping a couple of cods together whilst chanting “OM” then it’s that. Limiting oneself or being fixated on just one option could result in missing the alternative option that’s the precise permission slip that’s required in that individual circumstance. In fact it may even require a combination of more than modality to synergistically create the right environment for healing. Yo see this in reverse as well where someone has surgery after surgery but really needs to incorporate some sort of emotional or RPT-like into the mix.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    this is a quick initial reply as it’s well after midnight. I’m sure I’ll add more tomorrow.

    Just wanted to say thanks for all this info. I’m really looking for data on why condition X heals with modality 1 and not modality 2. So with your permission I’ll dig into this with you.

    I do want to clear one thing up. RPT complements, and does not replace, physical therapies (massage etc) so I would reject the notion that it “failed” in that instance. RPT is as I always say, an emotional healing technique. Most likely you cleared the emotional issues first so that the pilates was spectacularly successful. I talk in class about how much I love therapeutic body work (including Rolfing, Zen Therapy etc) and how much that integrates with RPT.

    I should also comment on your instant healing from the hernia. I was privileged to be in the room with you so I know what exercise helped you, and this timing is important. It’s almost irrelevant that the class was a TH course because we hadn’t yet taught any TH (which is about belief work). We were doing a warm up in sending unconditional love. That’s the moment when you said the hernia healed. This is not a criticism of the course I was teaching on the day. Rather, the insight is that the healing was not specific to any modality. Reiki or any “sending love” technique like what Monica mentioned above, would have been enough. This is a very good thing, and a validation of what I was talking about.

    As to whether this was a placebo or love really is a healing techinque… can I sleep on that one? :-)

    As to your 5th condition – belief – I also want to sleep on this. I recall learning/teaching in TH that it is the practitioner’s beliefs that matter more than the client’s, and I still believe this more or less. I say this because I had skeptical friends who zero belief (in fact disbelief) and on occasion I still had instant healings with them (because I believe). I have heard that some studies show that the most predictive factor for a patient’s recovery is whether their doctor believes they’ll recover. Isn’t that also evidence of the supremacy of the practitioner’s belief?

    Well plenty of food for thought. The rest of the world can comment while Australia and Vanuatu sleep!

    best wishes
    Simon

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  3. As a teacher and practitioner of RPT I’m obviously a fan. It’s my modality of choice because it feels right for me and it works.
    What I occasionally find is that some people need a physical component to actually let something go and we don’t really have that. The work is done, I know that, but it’s as if those people need to physically do something in order to fully manifest the change. In these situations I use EFT. Actually, it’s more true to say that we tap in the RPT words. It seems to complete something.
    It happened last night with a regular group that I know really well. There’s one member who,especially if we’re in the vicinity of her biggest secondary gains, simply won’t make the final leap without a bit of a tap. It happens less often these days but I could see it coming as if it was part of an SG habit.
    I use RPT in a school with 11-16 year olds. Some of those young people also need to “do” something. It’s as if it helps to make some kind of sense of what is happening. Again, we tap in the RPT language.
    Of course, it’s an intuitive choice on my part – the client, whatever the age, doesn’t ask for physical action to take place.
    Sue x

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Sue
    I’ve also had the experience that a proportion of clients need to “do” something physical to release. I’m not exactly sure why although there is some research into this in Levine’s work etc, a lot of which forms the basis of “bodywork” techniques that I speak so highly of (e.g. Rolfing or its more gentle cousins).

    A number of techniques get the client to physically shake as a way of completing the trauma. In some techniques like rebirthing/breathwork this can happen without the client being told to do it. This is effective, if a little dramatic for my tastes. I think that what you are doing with the tapping after RPT is “tapping into” (bad pun) a similar physiological process of completing the trauma.

    As with all EFT, I would very strongly argue that it’s the physical touch that is doing miracles, rather than invisible or imaginary energy lines and blockages. (Again to remind readers I believe healing works I just don’t believe in WHY they say it works.)

    Rolfing has a version of the story that doesn’t require magical thinking. It relates to the way in which connective tissue stores and distributes trauma. The EFT community (e.g. Church – below) has picked up on this idea and seems to be running with the idea that EFT clears connective tissue trauma. I think this is completely true, it explains why EFT works and also its limitations. It’s also scientifically testable, something that the meridian theory is not.

    Reference: Dr Dawson Church, The Genie in your Genes: Epigenetic Medicine and the New biology of Intention (2008), 2nd edition. [see particular pages 157-9]

    The short of all of this is that touch and movement are incredibly healing, and complement the more mental aspect that is RPT.

    Simon

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  4. Hi Simon,

    “Well plenty of food for thought. ”
    You’re absolutely right! ;-)

    I agree with your four reasons why a method doesn’t work.
    But I don’t know now if I agree that that are all possible reasons. ;-)

    I worked on depression for a long time with a lot of modalities (EFT, TAT, ZPoint,…) and nothing works. Then I went to a healer and the depression healed instantly.
    But I’ve no idea why it works. ;-)

    On another topic I’m working for years and years and there’s no change at all. Even the healer was’t able to help.
    And I’ve no idea why it’s not working…

    A lot of people have wonderful results with EFT but I don’t know if anyone has given a thought to a success rate.
    So if your belief is true when f.e. 80% have great results with EFT this method should work for everyone.
    The missing 20% are about secondary gain.

    When your’re right – what’s special at RPT? ;-)

    That you work with secondary gain and “catch” 10-15% of the missing percentages (or whatever the percentage may be)?

    I’m a little confused.
    As you mentioned – plenty of food for thoughts! ,-)

    Blessings
    Michaela

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hello my friend
    Perhaps you are over-thinking this, hence the confusion? I was making some very high level points.

    > Then I went to a healer and the depression healed instantly.
    > But I’ve no idea why it works.

    There are a few possibilities but here are the simplest and most likely:

    1) it had nothing to do with the modality, but with the energy of the healer herself. Healing modalities don’t really do much, they are just tools. The best that RPT can do is to create amazing healers by teaching them to be coherent. At the end of the day, healers heal, tools are tools. You wouldn’t claim that a wrench fixed your car or an oven cooked your dinner. So it is (more or less) with healers. I’ve written about this here http://www.referencepointtherapy.com/blog/2010/04/healing-secret/

    2) Or, the healer used a modalities (combined with her own energy of course) which was more effective than the modalities you tried before. This is because it either addressed the root cause of the problem or the secondary gain. Most techniques are pretty hit and miss, so even with a great healer with lovely energy, if they aren’t hitting the right notes, it wont work. This is why RPT tries to formalize this process, to make it most likely that the healer has the right energy AND hits the right notes.

    3) You were simply ready. Diving timing and all that.

    In other words the options are (1) the healer (2) the modality (3) you. Lots to choose from.

    > When you’re right – what’s special at RPT?

    I’ve kind of answered this above but I’ll repeat myself. I think there are 3 things.

    (A) coherence of practitioner
    (B) get the real origin of the problem
    (C) clear secondary gain consistently

    OK here goes
    (A) Coherence

    I think we do a more consistent job of training the practitioner because we are more honest about what the vital X factor is. Instead of saying the healing is caused by an invisible Creator or invisible Qi (energy), we say the healing is sourced and created by the healer. This is the obvious truth when you think about it, but we are more frank. It follows that we can train the practitioner to maximize this.

    With more honesty comes more power. And a downside – with more honesty you lose the mystery and magic that gives the other techniques such great marketing potential. We can’t claim to be doing god’s work or fixing the earth’s energy grids or unblocking energy leaks, fixing chakras or other magical but untestable claims. Sadly for us, magic makes great marketing, truth doesn’t always!

    where was I?

    (B) get the real origin of the problem

    I wont repeat what’s all over the blog. I think that our Level 1 technique dealing with survival instincts and our Level 2 method with pre-natal trauma simply do a better job of clearing the real cause of human suffering. If you are waving crystals, tapping meridians, clearing chakras or doing digging or time line therapy, then most of the time you will miss the key origin. Those techniques all work (sometimes) but RPT just hits the right notes because we know where to hit. That simply makes it more effective.

    (C) clear secondary gain consistently

    We found that the RPT method for clearing phobias and trauma had a great application – clearing secondary gain. Given that secondary gain is the main reason people don’t heal, we start the process by identifying and clearing secondary gain. I think any modality would benefit from doing this first. We simply formalized the process and with that got great results.

    > That you work with secondary gain and “catch” 10-15% of the missing percentages (or whatever the percentage may be)?

    I really don’t want to put percentages on which of the above 3 factors helps the most. They all add up to a record-breaking success rate.

    Whilst I think of it, you cleverly tried to add bold formatting to your post, but it didn’t work and I had to manually edit it. Please remember that you need to add the /, as in /b to turn off the bold, because you were using the same code for on and off, hence your entire post was in bold!

    OK thanks again for the great questions. It seems that I keep writing entire articles in reply to you!

    Simon

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    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    Ha-ha!
    Simon, look, you gave here a lots of explanations, but you really didn’t answer the original qn which was really perfect.

    >when f.e. 80% have great results with EFT this method should work for everyone.
    >When your’re right – what’s special at RPT?

    Any of A,B,C should be present in a modality that have 80% and more success rate. At least if we look from your model of mind and your’s “how healing works” explanations. I mean that any modality with such high success rate obviously deals with A,B,C even if they have no obvious tech for it. Also we should remember little dirty secret … that not a technique, but people heal people. And this really explains huge difference in your results and such of your students. The same as in a lots of different modalities.
    My position for last time is that Master (talanted one) could heal almost everyone even using “fake” technique, while unproffessional could have no result even with perfect tech. The only difference is that if tech is better then master could get better results and faster using it instead of some other one.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Dima, you should have been a lawyer! :-)

    As you saw, I answered the second line of her question only. That’s because there’s no way the techniques we were discussing have an 80% success. Those are very old-tech methods that you and I studied 10 years ago, and if they had 80% success then we would never have been developing RPT. However I was too polite to say this until you pointed it out… :-)

    Now to your comment. You are absolutely correct. It is my belief, as I have published, that the energy of the Master, what I call coherence, transends all.

    Even with really crap healing techniques where the technique itself is nonsense (not naming names) some people will heal. A good way to tell a bad technique is inconsistent results – the good healers get great results and the bad healers get no results. That is good proof that it’s the healer’s consciousness that is healing, not the technique.

    For example, with a lot of spiritual healing techniques, the most important thing is the energy of love and the connection between practitioner and client. The actual healing technique is just a made up hodge-podge of energies, affirmations, commands, mantra and symbols. That’s all smoke and mirrors. But the clients get better if the practitioner is in a lovely heart space. A different practitioner can use the same energies/symbols/commands but not heal anybody because they are not in the same space. This is why I say it’s the healer that heals, not the technique.

    Of course in RPT the 2 become 1 because the whole point of the technique is to train the healer to heal (coherence). the technique is secondary.

    > My position for last time is that Master (talanted one) could heal
    > almost everyone even using “fake” technique,

    well this is certainly true.

    > while unprofessional could have no result even with perfect tech.

    I don’t agree with no result, but a lot less result.

    Take RPT – which is not perfect but it’s the best that I have. In the hands of a Master, it is just amazingly effective. But in the hands of a beginner (new student on day 1 of Level 1) they still get some great results. Now I know that our students are not fakes, they all have a great heart-consciousness to begin with, that is why they do the course. But I’m saying that the technique itself does SOMETHING if it’s a really good technique. Just the affirmations do something.

    Or maybe it’s because there’s some of the energy of consciousness of the creator of the technique that is in the words used, so even the fake will get results using the teacher’s words?

    Just thoughts.

    Simon

    Simon Rose Reply:

    Dmitry,
    This is a second part of my reply, I wanted to keep it separate as it’s a separate point to discuss.

    You seem to be distinguishing two different reasons why a healing technique works, one is the Master’s consciousness and the second is the placebo effect. Both of these could make a “bad” technique get some “good” results.

    My question to you is: are these not the same thing in different words?

    The Master is the placebo.

    The client doesn’t need to believe in the technique, they believe in the Master. If you look at Western (Allopathic) medicine, the more the client likes and trusts the doctor, the faster they heal (the placebo effect is stronger if they like their doctor). Aren’t these the same thing? Isn’t the doctor taking the role of “guru” and healing the client through influencing their belief?

    To disprove this idea all you need to show is that the Master’s consciousness can heal the client even though the client has no respect for, or belief in, the Master.

    I think this is unlikely. Certainly in the Doctor-as-guru model, the client’s respect is needed. When I think of examples of instant healing in Autobiography of a Yogi, the client is a disciple with huge respect and belief.

    I am not downplaying the importance of consciousness or clarity. What I’m saying is that consciousness creates the space in which people can believe.

    Was this not Jesus’ message? He healed through people’s belief in Himself, not their belief in the technique. “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live…” (John 11:25) Tell me this isn’t the world’s best placebo?

    Simon

    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    I disagree that Master is a placebo. Yes, it could be sometimes, but I have too much experience to see that Master could heal even in situation when client doesn’t believe him completely. Very often Master could do very strange things, being guided by his intuition. And if you simply follow the technique he teaches you’ll never do such a things.

    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Dima,

    > I disagree that Master is a placebo

    I was unclear. Let me clarify.

    I did not mean that Mastery is a placebo. That would be like saying Mastery is nothing, empty, meaningless, a sugar pill.

    I meant the exact opposite, you could interpret it as ” the real placebo is Mastery.” Interpret that as the real healing energy is through coherence and clear belief.

    When I wrote that the Master is a placebo I meant that the belief in the Master is what creates the effect we call the placebo effect. The Master has real energy, consciousness, and this is not a placebo.

    The Master can heal even with a totally fake technique because of something that’s like the sugar pill placebo. EXACTLY like the sugar pill placebo when the doctor says “this drug can heal your cancer” but it’s sugar. But the Master has more coherence than the doctor, so it can work 100% instead of 40% for sugar. To me the same “vibrational principle” is at work.

    > but I have too much experience to see that Master could heal even in situation when client doesn’t believe him completely

    The key word is “completely.” I think that the Master requires some belief, it might be 1%. I don’t know if it works with zero. All the stories I have read of Masters (Jesus, Yogananda’s stories, etc), say the same thing, the teacher only appears when the student is ready. If there’s 0% belief then the teacher doesn’t try. Yogananada seems to tell as many stories of the people his guru REFUSED to heal than of people he did heal. The student’s readiness is a type of belief, call it the 1%.

    Have you seen a Master heal someone who had absolutely no belief and was not ready? I doubt it but would love to hear from you.

    > Very often Master could do very strange things, being guided by his intuition. And if you simply follow the technique he teaches you’ll never do such a things.

    Yes.

    I have seen many great therapies that are taught by a guru or master healer. The guru goes around healing cancer etc but the followers never get the same results. The teacher is confused, “this is so easy for me, why does it not work for my students?”

    I have had this same experience as a teacher of a different modality, TH. I got some awesome results with my clients, instant healings of many diseases. Many of my clients had cancer instantly disappear, bones regrow, eyesight restored, etc. But my students copy exactly what I did but did not have the same results. Less than 5% of them could get miracle results. My belief in the technique was 150% for many years, till I finally realized that what was healing my clients was my belief, not the technique. That is why 95% of my students could not get the same results.

    The same is true for every single TH teacher – many of them get great results, there are amazing healers, but they are mistaking their own success (their Mastery) for the success of the technique. There’s a reason for this, it’s because of the big lie of “god is the healer not you.” As if god (healing energy) was separate to you?

    How can we avoid this problem in RPT? The only way is to be honest. Do not lie and say “god is the healer” (which is exactly the same as “the technique is the healer” since the technique is connecting to god). Instead say “you are the Master and you create the healing. Work on yourself, find your truth and clarity, and then you can heal others easily.” Simply telling the truth about this makes RPT easier to teach and more effective.

    This explains why RPT is more about personal development (clearing your own trauma) before it’s about healing others, though we mix both these things together on the course.

    Wow – amazing subjects we are covering on this page.

    Simon

  5. I use EFT as the physical bit because it’s what i know. Actually, it’s not strictly EFT as I’m using RPT in these instances but happen to tap. Maybe tickling or going for a walk would serve. As I said, I know intuitively that the work is done, it’s just that some people need a physical something extra in order to fully allow it. Maybe having some physical element completes the trauma for some people, equivalent to the shaking of the escaping antelope. Others seem not to.
    If that’s the case then there are horses for courses but with regard to how we integrate the results of an effective technique rather than the technique itself.

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  6. I would like to share a healing story from my past. Twenty three years ago I developed debilitating panic attacks that lasted for many, many months. Looking back I can name issues and events that probably caused the attacks but the healing, or more importantly what started the healing is interesting.

    Around that time I was receiving reflexology sessions from a husband and wife healing team. Steve obviously realized there was more going on with me and suggested a session with his wife to introduce me to muscle testing ( probably a blog topic on it’s own).

    One of the effects of panic attacks is the dreaded fear of death while in the acute phase and the fear of something being medically wrong. SO we muscle tested various questions.
    “There is something seriously wrong with my health that is causing these attacks” answer was no. “Stress is causing my panic attacks”, answer was yes. This dramatically started my healing process. The other thing I learned around the same time was to picture a blank movie screen and write my panic attack issues on the screen, then blow it up. Major break through with this technique. I was able to heal myself of these attacks slowly but completely.

    So to answer Simon’s question was it the technique or something within myself that did the healing? I have always felt that the muscle testing and movie screen techniques were just vehicles to allow me to go within and heal myself. My reasoning has been to say I changed some subconscious programming. So ultimately it was the changing of my attitude and/or beliefs about what was wrong that did the healing. Plus I desperately wanted to heal.

    As to the four things Simon listed that prevent healing I see the first three the most in my bodywork practice. At this time I cannot think of any others except attitude.

    I had an interesting experience this week that opened my eyes to human behavior and how it effects our emotions and our state of being.

    This week I spent four days at Disneyland with tens/ hundreds of thousands of people. Waiting in long lines, walking in large crowds, everyone going in different directions and rushing to get on rides I noticed how calm, nice and polite people can be when they are happy and having fun.

    SHift gears to Los Angeles International Airport today. Within minutes of being inside the airport I experienced rudeness and stressed out unhappy people. What a difference in human behavior just by changing the scenario.

    Attitude has to play a part in healing or not healing. I am guessing it falls between taking personal responsibility and external factors.

    Jim

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  7. Hi Simon,
    Though it’s been a while since I last posted anything I have checked this site almost daily for new blogs from yourself and/or responses from others as it is very informative and insightful. I figured this was another one where I’d have nothing to add but something was mentioned at an impeccable time.
    I am currently reading Genie in your Genes and came across a couple of paragraphs starting on page 131 and ending on 132 which I felt applies here.They had injected an unspecified number of rats with a toxin called alloxan which destroys the pancreas.It then goes on to state:

    “In the control group, which did not receive the healing signals(photons), all the rats died of diabetes within 4 days.The experimental group of rats,after their pancreases had been compromised by alloxan,were exposed to the wave frequencies of healthy pancreatic tissue from newborn rats of the same species. The waves stimulated the stem cells of the sick rats, who proceeded to regenerate their pancreatic tissue.

    “The experiment was first performed in Moscow, after which it was replicated in Toronto and then in Nizhni Novgorod.In the three experiments,90% of the rats had their pancreases restored.”

    It seems that even the 100% success rate eludes even animals; however it does raise questions such as was there epigenetic trauma experienced by each individual rat in each experiment that fell within the 10% ? and was it the same result for all 3 experiments?
    Were these the runts of the litter or did the expectation of the researchers influence results(cause and effect)?
    I’d like to think that if these issues had been addressed before the experiments,they may well have had their 100% success rate.
    On the other hand,not to sound flippant or going off the topic, being the third dimension,there will always be an opposite,a polarity,even if it’s 1% of a desired outcome.
    But that’s just my personal opinion.

    Thanks for the blog
    Looking forward to the unveiling of the new RPT

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Welcome back Tom. You are an Angel! :-)

    Thanks for reminding me about the animal test. I really don’t know why the 90% figure seems to be some sort of limit. It may relate to genetic variations (though this can be controlled for in lab tests). I wish I knew. Anyway it is a reminder of where the 100% goal is unobtainable.

    I still think we should shoot for 100%. But we should be overjoyed with 90%, after all most techniques are hitting 10% or less (they just don’t talk about it much).

    cheers
    Simon

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  8. This might be one more reason to add to the list.
    Just a thought: lets say a healing technique (any) is like a tool, lets say a hammer. The hammer works, there is nothing inherently wrong with the hammer. But a child will have difficulty using a hammer for the purpose it was intended. The hammer is heavy, and the childs co-ordination is not yet fully developed. Perhaps even as an adult their co-ordination is not very good, and the “hammer” fails to hit the mark. The point being, is it the tool that doesn’t work, or is it the person or person’s weilding the tool that don’t have the ability, knowledge, understanding, experience etc?

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  9. Hi Renee,

    I enjoyed your comment. It does make me think. Maybe that was Simon’s insight in developing the new RPT, making it simple but not complicated for everyone to use. I guess he will have to answer that one.

    Be well,
    Jim

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  10. I have had many healings with RPT and other modalities. On one occasion I had a flu of some kind, and being a performer I just could not be sick. My temperture was going up to 102 and I was becoming fearful. I contacted my teacher/practioner for a session and within 30 minutes the virsus was dying. I was able to not only practice that evening with my dance troupe, but perform that weekend! There was another occasion that my some of my joints felt painful like they were going to explode! I once again made an appointment for an RPT session. Although I was advised to go to the hospital I really just didn’t want to deal with the allopathic medical community, and I felt they wouldn’t be able to heal me anyway. Again within 30 minutes the issues was healed! As I said before I have had healings with other modalities such as Shamanism. I really think it depends on how open a person is to really “going there” and looking at there “stuff”. It also helps, at least for me to have an intuitive pracitioner someone who can offer guideance I feel blocked.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    thanks Heather, what a wonderful report to read! Sounds like you had an amazing practitioner.

    I would add that I guess that you are extremely open to healings.

    I’ve also received healings for viruses etc and whilst I’m always good the next day, it isn’t always as immediate as what you described. It may be because you are just so incredibly open to it. There’s something of a placebo effect here, but in a very positive way.

    Blessings
    Simon

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  11. Can one technique work for everybody? My opinion is that yes it should….. but we are not there yet.

    For a technique to work for everybody we need to take into account all the factors that could possibly arise within the interaction between healer and healee. That is assuming that healing needs the healing/healee dynamic.

    I think secondary gain is paramount to healing not working. By its very definition all states of trauma states of disease provide some benefit some part or our consciousness at the moment that trauma occurred and subsequently through time. But as you say identifying that secondary gain is essential, assuming one has to be conscious of something in order to clear it. But most of our problems we are not conscious of the origin hence the disparity between symptom and origin. But rpt and other techniques have been successful at clearing these unconscious origins. So theoretically in my minds eye there should be no difference in healing the secondary gain as opposed to the presenting problem other than the degree at which one is rigorous in rooting out the secondary gain.

    In healing i personally think that the state of the healer has enormous significance too as you have already alluded to. From reading McFetridges Whole Hearted Healing manual he notes that if the healer has a problem in him/herself that he/she has not healed then it can make the healing of the client almost impossible. He claims that it is possible for ourseves to unconsciously block healing in an another.

    Also taken from the peakstates work which also ties in with your point 4 is what McFetridge refers to the tribal block mechanism. This refers to a claimed phenomenon wherby in the attempt to achieve a better state of conscousness other peoples consciousness prevents one from going there a sort of pulling one back into the tribe so to speak. It might seem a bit abstract but you can sort of see real life examples of this when one considers how we behave as groups and how groups tend to assume shared beliefs and etc.

    Lastly id like to add the concept of disassociation. Its not a new concept within this field its been written about extensively but it seems apparent to me that healing techniques only work if fully associated. Whole Hearted Healing is very specific about this. One has to be in body. That is to say one has to feel a physical sensation in body during the healing process. In fact one has to be aware of the mind, body and emotions in order to heal. This is also recognised in RPT from my limited experience. Even sucessful application of eft seems to focus on some kind of sensation.

    Now im pretty much sure that you know all this im just re stressing the point but if a healer is unaware of the problem of disassociation he/she may overlook it. Its hard to appreciate a problem if one has never experienced it. Also if one is asked if one feels badly about a situation and the answers is not then is the problem solved or is it merely disassociation.

    Now in all of this a common theme emerges. A sucessful healing technique has to include provisions for all circumstances for all people. We are getting close to identifying the technique and identifying the core elements of healing. But the other factor is the knowledge and beliefs about what is possible in healing and what the ultimate goal should be.

    Im not sure i’ve said what i meant to say but there you go.

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  12. Simon,

    I wasn’t sure how to start a new blog topic, so I am just going to start it here, if that’s alright with you. I’m the guy that got the discussion rolling on EFT being a placebo. I have a couple of questions for you if you would be so kind to answer them. Before that, I wanted to mention something that you made a reference to in a previous post. It’s about a money back guarantee for clients so you can track the effectiveness of your work. I do offer my clients one. I tell them if after 3 sessions they are not over at least one agreed upon issue they came to me for, then I will refund them their money. This works good for me because it shows the clients that I believe in what I do and secondly, it makes me be the best I can. I don’t like getting stumped by a clients problem, so I work extra hard to make sure that doesn’t happen. This is one reason I am very interested in getting training in RPT. Just one more tool in my bag to use to get the best results possible for my clients.
    Okay, here are my questions:
    Can you please tell me if you are familiar with these techniques and then tell me what you think about them as far as their effectiveness. You can even compare them against RPT if you like.

    1. Ask and Receive
    2. Healing Codes
    3. LT3 (taught by the originator of Healing Codes)
    4. Mace Method (Also known as The Phoenix Effect)
    5. Matrix Reimprinting
    6. Logosynthesis

    I have received training to some degree in all of these, except LT3. The most promising one I like is Logosynthesis because of it’s simplicity and effectiveness. I imagine RPT will become a top choice also, as soon as I get some training in it.

    Thank you Simon for your time. I appreciate it very much.
    Clay

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Clay
    I think it’s great that you are willing to offer a money back guarantee.

    About your question, I want to be clear that I am not comfortable making direct comparisons between other techniques and RPT except in fairly special circumstances. I am not familiar enough with any of those techniques to comment on them. I am sure they are wonderful.

    For those wondering why I have not studied these techniques when I used to do many courses a year, the answer is simple. I no longer need to study the “other side” of healing, namely techniques with a basis in energy healing or spirituality. (This includes EFT, Reiki, prayer healing, anything involving chakras or meridians, healing codes or numbers, angels, Tarot, etc.)

    I’m interested in techniques that have a clear basis in psychology, biology or neurology. I do believe that spiritual/energetic techniques can help clients, but they don’t really help my own personal quest, which is to create a simple and scientific technique that doctors can understand and use with their patients. As wonderful as Healing Codes (etc) might be, they are never going to be used by mainstream doctors nor endorsed by the AMA etc.

    It does not hurt me to be clear about this: RPT is not the only way. It is my way.

    Do feel free to contact me directly (Contact Us form on the website) if you do want to share your experiences with any of these techniques.

    With my best regards
    Simon

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  13. Hi Simon,
    having just read your response, and the fact that i’m reading Genie in your Genes,prompted me to chime in again.i have come across a section in the said book that mentions the existence of Bonghan ducts: basically physical structures that correspond with the positioning of the meridian system.
    Did some further checking so i’d get the facts right & came across a youtube video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyahTD7oB8w
    (Subtitled)& an article at http://wikibin.org/articles/bonghan-theory.html.
    If this is the new truth(actually discovered in the 1960s) about meridians,they can no longer be be perceived as hypothetical structures.

    Hope its enlightening to all.

    Sincerely,

    Tom J.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Tom
    This sounds interesting. I’m a little confused about the point you are trying to make, would you mind clarifying or expanding?

    It seems fair that there might be a biological system that corresponds with meridians. What this does not do is this: (a) validate any healing technique or (b) change anything written on this page. That’s where I’m confused and would like you to clarify your point of view.

    I think the comment you might be referring to is where I said meridian theory is not scientifically testable. It’s true. And if there’s a particular physiological organ, I can’t see how it changes the comment.

    Remember again that I said that most of these techniques DO work, but they are wrong about WHY they work. I strongly believe this for EFT. Now lets say that meridians exist and that they proxy for Bongham ducts. How does that change? Does it change whether EFT works? (No, because it still works.) Does it change WHY EFT works? No, unless the EFT teachers were willing to change why they think EFT works. For sure there could be a logical explanation, but the “official” explanation is 100% magical thinking.

    I am a big fan of Church’s book. However just be careful not to confuse science about healing with science of why the healing actually works. Church does the former but I can’t see where he’s done the latter (not about EFT, but it does help RPT).

    Forgive my confusion, I’m just wondering how to incorporate this information into the discussion at hand.

    Warm regards
    Simon

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    Tom Jones Reply:

    Hi Simon,
    it was your very last line that made me say to myself oh($#!7) i digressed from the topic at hand which is printed in large bold letters at the top of the page;so as i now realise,my chiming in cannot be incorporated into the discussion;was more responding(again out of topic ) to the fact that you referred to meridians as one of the healing modalities as being based in energy/spirituality.
    Knee jerk reaction.

    I hope this explanation saves my credibility(humour)

    Sincerely,

    Tom J

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Tom, you are too hard on yourself!

    What you said was both interesting and helpful, I just struggled to place it in its proper context. There is nothing wrong with comments going off topic.

    Back to your comment, yes, meridians are based in spirituality / energy. They are the basis of many energy healing techniques. This doesn’t mean that there are no organs that correlate with them. I mean each chakra relates to an organ or gland, this is very well documented. I don’t see any conflict here.

    Anyway I’m happy for your contribution because I think it supports my thesis that healing works, but not for the reason why “they” say it works.

    best
    simon

  14. Simon,

    Thank you for your response to my questions. I do understand why you don’t want to do a comparison. I was mainly interested in your familiarity with them. I don’t like wasting time chasing techniques that are not reaching that 85%+ effectiveness range.

    I share some of the same goals as you and that being of using a technique that gets undeniable results, has an easily explainable process, and very simple to use. As far as the technique being accepted by main stream doctors, well it would be great if that happened and I hope it does, (it would give a great boost to the credibility our work) but it might be a long time coming. In the mean while, the first and foremost of importance is the healing of our clients, REAL and complete healing.

    Clay

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Thanks Clay, I share your interest. If you think that any of those techniques actually achieves over 85% results, would you please be so kind as to tell me about it? Even though I don’t study energy medicine, I am interesting in the underlying mechanics. As I’ve said elsewhere on this page, I believe healing works, I just don’t believe in the story about why it works. When I study a modality I ignore all of their stories and ask “what’s really going on here?”. I would be happy to investigate any modality that you (or any reader) believes can really get those sort of results. Of course I’d need some sort of evidence before spending money on it, just like my readers want some proof before doing RPT.

    Warm regards
    Simon

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  15. Hi

    My personal experiences of the barriers to healing (that I am aware of) are secondary gain, and in the past, external interference.

    My healing journey. This response doesn’t include the elements you asked for in your question, but I would like to include it in case such data helps with formulating something in the new course. I am a Graduate of Level 2 RPT and I am still using it on myself. I am starting to get a bit faster at it now; previously a session might take hours. I always note definite progress on an issue after an RPT session, although I’ve visited some symptoms several times and they are still present. I feel like I’m more whole after each session however, and that effect is permanent and cumulative. Also I’ve begun to have sessions where my issue goes to zero out of ten afterwards. Finally =)

    I’m really looking forward to learning further in the new version. Although I’d be happy to just be quicker and wholly effective in the current technique.

    To comment on sentences from other blogs:
    I’m so glad your aspirations are to have a technique that does not rely on God or have a whole set of holier-than-thou attitudes attached to being in its club.
    I’m glad you aim for a provable method. Although many embrace them, still more may not want the uncertainty of woo-woo methodologies.

    Thanks again for your work and insights, and Evette’s too. It’s appreciated.

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  16. Native Americans say a medicine bag that is empty to heal the sick is because the medicine man has a sickness and unless the medicine man is totally pure some sickness can not be healed. So if 80% success rate you need to do more fasting and praying…as this introspection will clarify to you what you have left undone… My experience with healing work with others is that if a person is unable to go into a calm mental state they will not have results even if they want the desired outcome. They need teaching to know how to be calm and then the healing can take place. If you have more questions you can contact me at the email I supplied to post this. I have been teaching a self learned technique and have had good success except a few people who were sceptics… This group is hard to help as they want to question vs experience. I feel that it’s a journey they need to continue so they are unable to connect with the healing. I also feel that they carry an ancestral energy that blocks the openness to experiencing the letting go of the pain. It is really the practitioners ability to be attentive and nonjudgmental of the doubt they carry. The more compassion one has for this type of situation a powerful result can be achieved. when the awareness of the ending of the painful emotion is experienced it usually far exceeds the healing of most individuals as this type are very stuck and when opened to themselves the results are profound.

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