Do you believe in divine intervention?

As promised in recent posts, I want to share some of my spiritual beliefs and start to explain them.

The specific question which I asked you a few days ago was: what do you think about the apparent “divine intervention” which saved Evette and I from teaching in Tokyo when the earthquake hit?

In the comments section of that post, readers like you immediately hit on the fact that it’s a question of definition. What do you mean by god or “divine,” what’s the difference between “upstairs” and “inside”?   I realize I cannot give you my thoughts without trying to be clear what I mean, and I invite you to write in and point out any inconsistencies.

But first, I explained yesterday that I would start my own personal views with this disclaimer: The following views are the personal opinion of one of the co-founders of RPT but do not represent the RPT technique. These views have no bearing on how effective RPT is for you. The other co-founder and teachers of RPT have quite different beliefs.

Can you guess I’m a lawyer – always covering my butt! :-)

So, after lots of contemplation and philosophy, my firm belief is “No.  I do not believe in divine intervention of any sort.”

Let me explain.

Intuition and higher consciousness

The higher consciousness that I believe in is my own (and your own). I do believe in super-consciousness – that there’s much more to us as Beings than we realize.  For most of us, our brains cannot fathom the enormousness of our potential, so we make ourselves small.

Intuition to me is not information from outside, it’s information from parts of our self that we can’t squeeze into our consciousness. When someone says “God told me…” or “my message from my angels…” or whatever – what they are basically saying is this:  “I cannot believe that I am so extraordinary to have these insights, so I’m parceling that spiritual part of myself into a separate being that I call God / Angel / Higher Self / etc.”

This belief about intuition is derived from my readings of Peak States research.  What they found was that as you clear trauma from your body, those external parts of you become internal. What you thought was God / Angels / Higher Self are part of your Being, and you can unite with them.  We have applied this idea in Reference Point Therapy (using our own simple clearing techniques).

When these different voices or “minds” integrate with the rest of you, it’s a state I call coherence. Click this link to see the videos I made and articles I have already written about this important topic of wholeness and how it can help you to heal.

Divine intervention

Given that I believe that divinity is a part of our own sense of self; clearly I am not going to believe in an invisible hand that creates, or closes, opportunities for us.

If there is a guiding force that makes things happen (or not happen), then that guiding force is a part of You.  [As I quoted Sir Terry Pratchett last week: “Someone up there is looking out for me. It’s probable Me.”]

OK, so what happened in Japan?

As you might recall, our courses in Japan were cancelled or postponed due to a series of bizarre events including a strange technical error which everyone forgot to check.  It was weird and we didn’t understand it.

Later, when the earthquake hit, both Evette and I and our Japanese translator Yukiko all had the identical thought: “wow –this must be why the course was cancelled. Good thing we aren’t teaching today.”

I’ve already said that I don’t believe that there was an invisible hand upstairs guiding the cancelation of the course. As grateful as I am that I was not there for the earthquake or radiation leak, I don’t believe that it was divine intervention.

I meant think about the idea for 10 seconds and you can see how foolish it is – why would I deserve divine intervention but not the thousands who died?  What about my friend Paul who was married in Tokyo last Saturday? Didn’t he and his guests deserve a bit of divine intervention?  Clearly, the idea is silly.

I have the same thought every time I watch the Oscars or the Olympics and see the medal winner thank God for their win.  Why would God favor that winner over the hundreds who tried – and whose belief in God is just as strong?

It just does not add up.

OK so there’s no Divine Intervention. What about Your Higher Intervention?

OK so I’ve left till last a really interesting question. Since I don’t believe in upstairs help, what about My Self helping myself?  What about that higher part of me, what we call our Beingness?  Is it possible that that part of me caused the course to be cancelled to protect me and our work?

On the plus side, this argument doesn’t fail the above “favoritism by God” problem.  But’s still a difficult argument that borders on the absurd.

For the argument to hold up (for you to believe that some higher force – possibly Me – sabotaged my Japan course so I’d be safe), it would require believing that:

  • there was some force, possibly part of me, that knew that the earthquake was going to happen at least 2 months before it happened;
  • that part of me was powerful enough to sabotage a website booking system, but not powerful enough to say, nudge me to teach the course a month earlier or a few months later; and
  • even though that part of me knew that 10,000 people or more were going to be killed, He didn’t think to warn the higher parts of everyone else to get the heck out of there!

In short, my answer to the question is “no.” I think it’s preposterous to suggest that there is any connection between the cancellation of the course and the earthquake.

In fact, this is a classic example of the fallacy that I wrote about a couple of weeks ago – human being look for meaning in things. Sometimes bad stuff happens (a tiny website error cost me a lot of money) and sometimes that’s followed by really bad stuff (thousands of people died).  The human brain likes to connect the dots. “Oh that’s why I had to cancel the course…”  It’s pure Ego – that part of us that needs there to be a reason and an explanation.

The truth is, stuff happens. If there has to be a reason then the reason is that, I attracted the cancellation of the course.  I know that I had some fears about language / translation issues.  I probably unconsciously sabotaged the course.  And, totally unrelated to this an earthquake occurred.  You can see how the human brain would prefer to blame the cancellation on an earthquake than self-sabotage!

Should we believe in coincidences?

A lot of New Agers say “there’s no such thing as coincidence.”  So you might be wondering, am I suggesting that the cancellation of the course was a coincidence?  My answer to that is “yes and no.”

I think coincidences are underrated.  I do believe (from chaos theory and law of attraction) that vibrations affect other vibrations. Everything has an effect.  This is beautiful in theory, but in practice it is so incredibly complex (there are so many vibrations going on) that you can almost never say that “A caused B.”

In other words, coincidences are things which are probably connected but we’ll never really understand all the strings that connect them.  In that sense, no I don’t believe in coincidences, but I also don’t believe that “everything happens for a reason.”   Things just happen, usually it’s something to do with the law of attraction. But the actual mechanism is so phenomenally complex we can never really hope to figure it out. Nor are we meant to!

In fact that’s the beauty of the system.  Life is huge and complex, and we are but little players. Instead of feeling overwhelmed by that, embrace it. It’s fun, it’s a little silly, sometimes scary.  Embrace the unknown and live an amazing life, which means freeing up all that time you are wasting by thinking “now why did this happen?”; “what does that mean?;” and “what are my angels/guides/god trying to tell me here?”

There – I promised my 2 cents and you got it.  Now it’s your turn.  Time for you to comment and share you views.  Remember – you don’t need to agree with me, it’s usually more fun if you don’t.  Comments can be anonymous.  Let me know your opinion; comments are your method of “paying” for anything you liked on this site.

Blessings

Simon

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March 16, 2011 in About Simon, Thoughts For the Day
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  1. As much as I’ve tried to find something here to disagree with I am struggling. All very well thought cogent arguments.

    That said I’m going to nitpick:-)

    “Things just happen, usually it’s something to do with the law of attraction. But the actual mechanism is so phenomenally complex we can never really hope to figure it out. Nor are we meant to!”

    I agree up until the statement – “nor are we meant to.” Meant to by whom? This implies a higher being that decides what is meant to be and what is not. Nonsense, we decide it by our thoughts and actions. There is nothing else….until it can be proved to exist.

    It is our nature as humans to be inquisitive…it is what has dragged us out of the cave after all. As humans we will continuously seek to find answers to any and everything. This has been the way always. Simply because something is complex is no reason to give up on attempting to understand it. If we were living a mere 100 years prior it would have seemed unfathomable to understand even half of the things that exist as common everyday knowledge today. Going back even further out of course when man thought the earth was flat it was the spirit of finding out what was the truth that brought us the knowledge that in fact we live on a ball not a plate.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Well said Chris. I’m so glad you agreed to visit the site and take up the reins of “resident skeptic/atheist!” :-)

    I agree with your criticism of “nor are we meant to.” With reflection what I really should have said is “nor do we need to.”

    To me some of the magic of the universe is that it works without us needing to understand the details. Does a baseball player become a better baseball player after studying Newton’s laws of gravity and thermodynamics? Probably not.

    Just thoughts.

    Simon

    PS if you don’t promote your own blog I’ll have to do it for you. People should click Chris’ name to visit his capitalist exploits blog. According to the blog it offers opinionated, rational analysis that will get you questioning everything from politics to what can make you successful in life, while candidly discussing profitable investments being made by two self made investors.

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  2. I couldn’t fully agree with you and that’s why. I think that any fixed position like “The truth is, stuff happens” or “there’s divine intervention” or “everything happens for a reason” are dual and thus incorrect. The Law of Cause-Effect exists, but it’s unusable in most cases ’cause of complexity and multidimensionality of our universe. So mostly in any global situation it’s impossible to check all the causes that influenced it. But impossibility to apply and hold on doesn’t mean that this law doesn’t exist.

    “The truth is, stuff happens” – sounds like you own some “Higher truth”. – Not the Truth,…. – The FACT is, stuff happens. It doesn’t matter what are the reasons for that stuff. For it already happened. The matter is “what can I do to evade such stuff in a future?” or “How can I use this stuff in my life?”

    “Everything happens for a reason” – there are billions of reasons in any happening. Why should we prefer this exact one over the others? Is it a correct approach? – I think, not exactly.
    But. Could this approach help me? – in some situations I think Yes. But more correctly not to look into past experience asking “For which reason did it happen (to me)?” Reason is not a problem. The problem is “How should I use that past experience to get desired results in my future? Which experience could I extract from that happening to use it in my life to make it more comfortable?”

    “There’s divine intervention” – I don’t believe in any divine being besides myself. I mean that everyone is divine being and we are all the one. Even in Bible, the God’s name Yehovah (YHVH, Yahweh, Jehovah) translates simply as “I AM”. And if some layman doesn’t know about it – that’s a problem of a church, not religion as it was founded.
    I am fully responsible for my life and that means that even if I don’t know some Laws of this universe or any other stuff – those are my own problems and I am responsible for them, not someone else.

    For the argument to hold up (for you to believe that some higher force – possibly Me – sabotaged my Japan course so I’d be safe), it would require believing that:
    • there was some force, possibly part of me, that knew that the earthquake was going to happen at least 2 months before it happened;
    • that part of me was powerful enough to sabotage a website booking system, but not powerful enough to say, nudge me to teach the course a month earlier or a few months later; and
    • even though that part of me knew that 10,000 people or more were going to be killed, He didn’t think to warn the higher parts of everyone else to get the heck out of there!

    * On the deepest level you could know about it even a year before. (But, don’t forget, you even teach your students that there are no words in R-complex. So this knowledge is simply a kind of vibration that you “could find” and then you need to recognize what it means to “thinking mind” to understand.)
    * To sabotage a website booking system it is simply needed to move a bit of your attention from it (from work on this project to allow you to make valuable mistake). This part is not fully responsible for mistake it only creates some kind of reason for it. Otherwise there could be simply another mistake.
    * That part of you doesn’t know about problems of other people. I mean that there was knowledge only as a vibration. It’s impossible to know all the consequences, at least because of free will of everyone. But it’s possible to know about incoming problem. I believe and I’m sure that everyone in Japan (and in this universe too) was warned about it by their higher self. But they did need to listen to this warning, which they really didn’t. There’s at least one simple reason. Earthquakes in Japan are quite common so it’s normal for people who live there to simply ignore warnings about them. Also you should be quite sensitive to feeling and recognizing that warning, what is not applicable to most people.

    About coincidences – I know a lot about it. A part of my own system ICAN is dedicated to Luck Mastering. And my own experience is (including experience of hundreds of my students) that there are some simple rules and techniques that could give you result up to 85% of lucky coincidences. Much more than placebo. So I do know that there are real reasons for coincidences. And if I am working on it – I can significantly affect their appearance.

    Luck is nothing outside of you. When you are coherent – you can attain a kind of permanent luck, when you are always aligned with time, place and situation. It’s also a part of enlightenment state. And you don’t need to know any reasons. They simply are.

    So a brief summary:

    About your situation with Japan.
    Was it a divine intervention? – NO.
    Was it a coincidence? – YES. (it doesn’t matter that you don’t see reasons for it. You didn’t need to see any reasons.)
    Does this situation have reasons? – YES. But. Does it matter? – NO.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Our logic is very similar yet I think we disagree in some underlying assumptions. Here’s one point for sure:
    > * On the deepest level you could know about it even a year before.

    I addressed this in a long reply to Donna (below) and I wont repeat it all here. I really doubt this statement. I think it confuses sub-conscious with super- or supra-consciousness.

    I am open to the idea that there is a part of us that is all knowing. Some might call it God / I AM / Soul / spirit / higher self. These terms are fairly interchangeable to me. This is a question of spiritual belief and is non-falsifiable because it cannot be measured.

    What can be measured and tested is the sub-conscious. We have a reasonably good understanding of the R-complex or body mind and how it affects our thinking. In fact the basis of RPT and some new schools of psychology. I think that the R-complex is the part of our body that drives our thoughts, feelings, manifesting and most disease processes.

    I think we agree 100% up to here. Where we seem to disagree is this – I don’t believe that the R-complex knows the future. You seem to be suggesting that it somehow “knows” what’s going to happen months from now. I find that idea to be very hard to swallow. The R-complex is the evolved response to everything that has happened in the past (millions of years), which you take into the present. You are constantly reacting to the present through the filter of past experience. The R-complex does not know or react to the future – this is testable, measurable and falsifiable.

    If you believe that the future can be known then this is a job for higher consciousness, but not the unconscious mind. That is a GOOD think because imagine how hard our healing work would be if we had to clear all the future trauma as well as the past! :-)

    Blessings
    Simon

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    paul Reply:

    Funnily enough according to McFetridge we do actually clear our future trauma as well. According to his observations, when a trauma occurs, a complete trauma stack forms from now into the future with the final trauma leading to the moment of death. Interesting commentary on free will, but if you heal the originating trauma the entire string goes. Now, does that mean if you heal all traumas you’re immortal? I do like his models though, with each person being formed of a commitee of intelligences. Could have been any one of those that screwed up your website information ;-)

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Paul, thanks so much for visiting and for sharing your knowledge.
    Funnily enough I was thinking about that exact point as I wrote the post and I thought “hmm, there’s a fine distinction here, I wonder if anyone will pull me up on it?” I decided not to worry about it because it would make the post a little complicated.

    I have in fact seen at least one case where a physical healing (of heart failure) occured after apparently clearing a future trauma (to do with her husband’s death in 10 yeras and he living alone for another 10 years). I got the idea to do that from McFetridge. However, on reflection, I think that the future trauma work McFetridge talks about is really in truth just clearing fears. This client had a fear of being left alone and it presented as a future trauma when I did a future regression (pro-gression?).

    What I think is really happening is that you clear past trauma, it frees up the vibration you are “emitting” in the present (which is where LOA kicks in), and of course by changing the present you change the future you attract. So, in fact, by clearing the trauma stack (which is in the past) you are obviously clearing trauma that otherwise would have happened, in the future.

    In law we used the “but for” test for causation. So “But for clearing this trauma stack, she would have suffered all that trauma in the future.” Therefore by clearing the past we are in fact clearing the future.

    Phew -it gets tricky doesn’t it, but I honestly think we are talking semantics and linguistics not an important philosophical point.

    As to immortality – I think that the reversal of the aging process implies extended life, but immortality seems unlikely. It’s no proof against disease or being hit by a bus. Still it’s reason enough to keep researching it.

    thanks again for visiting,
    blessings
    Simon

    christina Reply:

    Forgive me for being too simplistic. Please accept my apology for not reading all the blogs on this. But I am just wondering that as we are all participants in the taspestry of life, with each of us bringing our own lessons to learn, and our own personal experiences, which will be reflected in the level of our vibrational energy. There was no reason for you and Evette to be there, nothing for you to learn or achieve by going through that experience, hence, the strange cicumstances that led to you not being there at that time. Christina

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Christina, I don’t think your comment was simplistic. However I personally may disagree. I feel that there is a lot that I can learn or achieve in Japan, and that there’s a real need for RPT there.

    Depending on the radiation situation and recovery we hope to set a new date soon. So I think you can see why I disagree with your “nothing to achieve there.”

    This is all just speculation of course. Who knows why things happen?

    Thanks for visiting the blog.

    Blessings
    Simon

    Healing seeker Reply:

    hello Dmitry Yeschenko

    i totally agree here with you.

    For the argument to hold up (for you to believe that some higher force – possibly Me – sabotaged my Japan course so I’d be safe), it would require believing that:
    • there was some force, possibly part of me, that knew that the earthquake was going to happen at least 2 months before it happened;
    • that part of me was powerful enough to sabotage a website booking system, but not powerful enough to say, nudge me to teach the course a month earlier or a few months later; and
    • even though that part of me knew that 10,000 people or more were going to be killed, He didn’t think to warn the higher parts of everyone else to get the heck out of there!

    1 in many cases it is not too hard to know the future if you know the past and what was / is going on.
    Lets say you put some seismographs on the right place and look what they say you can guess that there might come something. If the R? Conscious is aware of the past and present it would not be hard to guess the future.

    2. Maybe it was even easier for it to sabotage the website then to nudge you in some other way or would anything else have stopped you ?
    Or maybe it want to say to you: Hello here am i please talk to me. I have some friend to who always happen strange things like things breaking or falling down. I think the R wants to talk to her very desperately but she don’t listen my R told this to me and i told it her already.

    3. Well not everyone should be “safed” for some people the time to go on has come just this.
    And others just don’t listen enough and the R is not so much interested in “saving” them or sometimes maybe not strong or connected enough.

    Dmitry might you tell me more about ican and luck mastering?

    best greetings
    Seeker

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    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    Hi, Healing Seeker
    It’s funny that speaking to me you mostly answered on Simon’s post.

    About ICAN and luck mastering – I didn’t translate this matherials on English yet… And there’s qite a lot to speak about.. ICAN is about how to fing & achieve your own life goals, by being coherent with universe. About Luck – there are some certain rules in this universe which could seriosly inflict on your luck. And also there’s one simple method how to use them to amazingly increase your luck and to assist yourself in goals achievement.
    If there are more questions – you can comtact me by mail yeshe(at)realway.org

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  3. Hi Simon, and all

    When I first read your recent post about your belief system and questioning about is there any Divine intervention, my first reaction and feeling about it was: “It is really a non-sense to discuss this.”

    The logical reason I hold for not thinking it worth to discuss is I feel these things are very personal and subjective. Who have the authority to say what is right and what is wrong? If there isn’t any, why worth the time to discuss it? Why just not keep it personal and private?

    But as I choose to wait and sit with my feeling about these topic, I realize the deeper part for what I am thinking, feeling and believing.

    To discuss this topic without an objective is more like exploring “how many ways we can travel from Australia to HK” ! The answer is infinity and we can always create new way every now and then. So, I think an Objective like “How many ways we can travel from Australia to HK according to the present available transport, immigration laws and monthly income we have” And it is even better when we have objective like “the fastest or the cheapest way”. Then we can better find an answer to best fit the question.

    So, it is the same when I read your post about “Is there any Divine intervention”. I feel an objective (e.g. is believing Divine Intervention best bring you back to your Power at your present stage?) can help the discussion more focus.

    If there is an objective like this, Maybe, I will say..

    If I am an atheists, thinking I am a random material, disconnected with everything, have low self-esteem, Then believing there is Divine Intervention really help me one step further to reconnect my Own Power.

    But If i am a new-ager, who believe in Angels, and praying for helps from above, sometimes have result, sometimes didn’t. Then I will say, believing there is higher power keep me stuck in Owning my Power.

    At one hand, I won’t choose to judge a modality by its founder’s personal belief. But on the other hand, I am really interest to know: What is the Main goal or Main Vision that lead you Create RPT – this simple method of clearing blockage?
    And How dis-believe there is Divine Intervention serve your Goal here?

    If you create RPT for helping people realize their Potential, then I agree that believing divine intervention may not the best way to bring out our own Greatest.

    So, that is the way I am at this stage.
    I like to think within objective, and open to the unknown and surprise when it is outside the objective. Life no need to be absolutely black and white, rite?

    Keep on the good work, I am really happy to say how you help many people think outside the box when you say thing like this. But I do believe there is aways another box that wait our next adventure to break.

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  4. Simon – what about “choice?”

    Could it be as simple as your personal choice on a non-conscious level to not participate in the event while those who did choose to participate were drawn to the event? If there are energetic fore-shadowings of events – on some level you knew to avoid Tokyo in that time frame. But if your conscious, logical lawyer mind knew about it – you would have been constrained to warn the world. You probably would have investigated to see if there was any scientific geological/seismic warning (which there were not) and if the coast seemed clear, you would have done your best to go anyway. If the events that caused the glitch had been easy and obvious, you would have persisted in fixing things so you would have been there no matter what. In the Quantum Universe with multiple possibilities, you might have a version of Simon that DID choose to participate.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Donna

    Thankyou for visiting our blog and making a really great contribution to the discussion.

    I’ve given this argument a great deal of thought over the years and I have a moral problem with it. It’s not “wrong,” but I think it’s dangerous. Let me share my thoughts and I’d love to hear back from you with yours.

    Firstly, what you described used to be precisely my own view. It has an internal logic which I like. I am familiar with that sort of argument from authors like Neale Donald Walsch. I’m a big fan of his “Home With God” book which discusses the concept of “death doors” or gateways from the perspective that it’s pure personal choice, not divine intervention.

    And that’s my first key point really – we agree on the subject of today’s blog: Personal choice on the super-conscious level is not divine intervention is it? It’s still us doing the deciding.

    My next point is that your higher-consciousness theory is what scientists call non-falsifiable. It is a beautiful theory which can never be disproved. It is unknowable. In science, something that can never be disproved cannot be proved either. (Don’t worry about this too much: 11-dimensional quantum physics is not falsifiable either so you are in pretty good company!)

    My final point is that my one objection to this philosophy is on moral grounds. This is important because it’s here that we get the interaction between healing therapy like RPT and spiritual philosophy. (In yesterday’s post on the Danger of sharing my beliefs, Wendy asked why these 2 ever have to be connected. Hopefully Wendy will get her answer here!)

    My moral objection to this “higher consciousness chooses what we experience” argument is that I have seen it used to rationalize abuse and even genocide.

    I have heard New Age folk say things like “I’m not justifying abuse but clearly her Higher Self put her in that situation to learn something.” I’ve even heard “The Jewish people clearly wanted the Holocaust on a group consciousness level so they manifested it.”

    I have used these arguments myself and I have had first-hand discussions with people to see the repercussions. For example, some 5 years ago I discussed with the mother of an autistic girl the possibility that her soul or higher-self chose that experience – to learn from being the mother of an autistic child. [Logically this seems true – she attracted it.] She was not only hurt but extremely offended by the reasoning. That taught me that it is possible for a philosophy to be both correct (or non-falsifiable as I said before) and morally offensive at the same time. These things are not inconsistent with each other.

    My point is: it is possible for your higher consciousness argument to be true, and also so morally dangerous that we should abandon it. That makes it both valid and invalid at the same time (by different standards). I hope you can handle that logic.

    I do believe that we attract experiences to us according to something like the law of attraction. That is, I don’t think abuse is ever purely random. In our Level 1 RPT course we examine how abuse is attracted to us by vibration or tone of violation. People born with that predisposition are the ones who attract abuse early in life. This gives us an instant healing technique – by clearing that tone back to its ancestral origin we clear the abuse trauma instantly. This is the very basis of our Triune Brain technique.

    Clearly then I do believe that we attract things to us on some level. I believe that it’s these core tones or instincts (which are way deeper than beliefs) that drive our manifestations. In that sense we are “in charge.” However these are in our deep sub-conscious known as the R-complex (or reptilian mind). This is NOT the super-conscious. It does not know the future.

    So whilst I do believe that we attract experiences to us, like abuse or abundance, I don’t believe that we get to choose it on a day to day basis. There is no reason to believe that our brain or our Being knows that there’s going to be an earthquake next month and chooses where to position us. That would be magical thinking.

    Back to the abuse example to demonstrate this: The people who have the vibration that makes them vulnerable to abuse could attract it next week, next month, next year or next decade. It’s just the law of attraction playing out. It doesn’t mean that they “chose to be abused.” I am arguing that we attract our experiences and that we are responsible for them. You are arguing on some level that we actually CHOOSE them with knowingness of the consequences.

    If you cannot see why that logic is morally reprehensible imagine telling a rape victim that her higher self or soul chose that experience to learn from it. I don’t care that this argument is probably true. It’s still disgusting, and it could be used by a rapist to justify the abuse. (Imagine: “I never murdered anyone whose soul didn’t want to experience that.” It might be true, but I have no time for that morality.)

    I acknowledge that this has been a long response but it was important to get it right. It’s an important distinction that your argument can be logically valid and yet totally reprehensible in its application. I don’t disagree with your argument, I just think that it should be thrown away as too dangerous.

    This is just my personal moral choice. I entertained and explored this logic for a good 5 years or more and I abandoned it. This doesn’t make it wrong of course, just that it doesn’t sit within my morality.

    I hope you can appreciate that non-duality of this logic.

    With love and blessings,
    Simon

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    Leila Reply:

    Wow. What a debate!!! Detailed and compassionate and spoken with such truth. love it!

    I feel relief when you speak about this kind of view of rape and genocide, abuse etc as somehow the soul’s choosing. And yet I feel some resonance too with the idea that it may be some truth to it also.

    I turned away from all things spiritual and new age years ago because I felt so appalled and disheartened by what felt like a huge lack of empathy around these kinds of issues. And whilst it may not have been intended as such it felt inhumane and unkind to say the least.

    B-UT now I am making a huge return to seeing myself as a spiritual being (whatever that means!) and so I find myself in the throws of these discussions – at least internally.
    So I love this debate – how timely!

    We need this kind of open debate around complex and not easily pinned down realities, concepts and ways of seeing the world.

    BEautiful stuff! Helps me to clarify my own position also. Most useful!

    Leila

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    I know EXACTLY what you mean!
    So much “New Age propaganda” (there’s no other word for it) is all from the head and often lacking heart. There are so many books and courses, but almost no practical results. That’s why I’m very much ex-New Age.

    The middle ground I found – as explored in a few other pages on this blog – is to believe in the Law of Attraction, without believing in karma or destiny of the soul. That is my own truth.

    I firmly believe that some people are predestined to abuse because they unconsciously attract it. It is known that abuse runs in families. This is partly because abused children become abused parents, but that’s not always the reason. A better explanation for me is that the predisposition to abuse is inherited. It is what we call an “epigenetic marker.” [Read about epigenetics here.]

    Our RPT methods are so incredibly effective for clearing the trauma of abuse, and reducing if not preventing future abuse, because we are able to clear the underlying original epigenetic marker. If you can get back to that first reference point, it is an instant healing. And better than that – it’s done without any blame or guilt on the victim.

    Ideally though the client can find ownership of why things happened and a certain type of responsibility for it which does not involve blame.

    Blessings
    Simon

  5. Hey,
    I’ve been nowhere for a while ,so i’ will email you soon Simon.My thought on this is simple.the quake was a build up,due to tectonic movement.On a higher level,you maybe felt the energy building & had no desire to be there;also,perhaps others had the same feeling(unconscious) & for one reason or another, were meant to be in Japan,but weren’t.
    Ultimately,as usual,I agree with your summation ofinside rahter than upstairs.

    Email you soon.

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    Chris Reply:

    This is an interesting take actually. Why is it that animals can sense these things before we can? Actually its just a matter of more acute senses. Not some deity that allows dogs to figure things out before us humans. There is no doubt energy being transmitted across the globe all of the time. I’m willing to accept that some are more perceptive of certain energies than others. That said this has zero to do with believing in a big hairy man in the clouds who spends his day watching me pick my nose.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    My imaginary friend has better things to do than watch you pick your nose! :-)

    Seriously though, good point.

    As to Tom’s point, who knows. It is non-falsifiable (cannot be proved wrong). I know I’ve very intuitive (which is not the same thing as psychic). It’s fair to believe that we unconsciously pick up on a lot more information than we realize.

    I recall from the 2004 tsunami being really impressed at how animals who could not have experienced a tsunami before in their lifetimes or 100 generations of ancestors, somehow knew to get away from the shore. Meanwhile all the humans were busy collecting stranded fish.

    That must be some sort of genetic memory. Humans have genetic memory too but perhaps only a few people listen to it?

    Just thoughts and idle speculation till we know more.

    SR

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  6. In my practice I’ve got a few situations when I’ve had to clear future trauma. It was real incidents but percepted in future. Somthing like “I know that next friday at 2pm I’ll get in a car crash in that place… etc.” And it impossible to clear trying to work with past experience.

    I don’t know exactly is it R-complex or any other mind which percives the future, but I do know that everyone have this ability.

    People are so stuck in their “thinking mind” that they ignore most of other feelings. How do animals prefeel earthquakes and other disasters a day before? You may accent that “only a day before”, but I’m not sure that only. I think that they simply have no need to react on that feeling earlier. One day is enough to move avay from disaster.

    On other side, as for me, the time doesn’t exist at all. When we speak about time – we speak about perception of our inner images with experience connected to past or future. We couldn’t percept past or future as they are. For they aren’t exist. All we can perceive is now, and the images we perceive are located now. We couldn’t change past or future. We can change present.

    It’s really difficult question – Do we know the future, or no. It’s very difficult to proove. But as for me – I’ve seen too much “coincidences” to say there’s something in it, not only our desire to connect independent facts. When % of coincedents is more than 40% then there are some rules behind them.

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    Chris Reply:

    Interesting Dmitri

    I cannot think that an earthquake, tsunami, volcanic eruption or any other such occurrence happens at an instant. There is a build up of energy in all of these situations and I think the increase in energy is what is perceived….or not perceived.

    I think that for us mere humans our ability to tap into our subconscious may allow us to be more in tune with various energy levels.

    On a basic level we can take for example a feeling of energy being drained from us when we are in the presence of certain people and in the presence of others we feel like we’ve been re fueled. Sometimes however we are too out of touch to realize this on a conscious level.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Chris
    I thought you were this blog’s resident skeptic. You’re sounding quite New Age. What happened?
    SR

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    Chris Reply:

    I find people routinely confuse spirituality with religion. They have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

    Understanding that the world we live in IS energy in various forms is easily proven scientifically. Religion on the other hand has no basis in fact. Its pure fairy tale fantasy.

    Simon Rose Reply:

    For the record my view on religion is slightly different to Chris’. I would say that all religion has a basis in something, but that it’s naive to think that any religion is “God’s truth.” People who take the bible/torah/koran as the literal word of god are usually the most dangerous people on the planet. On the other hand I’ve met some wonderful ministers who take the broader view of religion as man’s best guess of what’s meant for us. Remembering that the various bibles were written by men. In the case of the New Testament it was written hundreds of years after Christ’s death and re-compiled by the Romans hundreds of years later. If you can view it as a collection of well-intentioned stories then I think it has value, more so than Chris suggests anyway.

    I’m building up to a new set of posts on religion and evolution. My view, as a proponent of evolutionary psychology, is that religion and evolution go hand in hand. They are fully compatible. It’s only a fairly recent (and silly) religious propaganda that has made believers around the world feel threatened by evolution. I truly hope on this blog to make a difference in helping religious people feel less threatened by ideas like evolutionary psychology.

    Yes, I’m being an inclusivist. There is enough antagonism in the world already.

    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    I cannot think that an earthquake, tsunami, volcanic eruption or any other such occurrence happens at an instant. There is a build up of energy in all of these situations and I think the increase in energy is what is perceived….or not perceived.

    We can perceive even more than energy. There’s information fields behind it and they are also perceivable.

    I think that for us mere humans our ability to tap into our subconscious may allow us to be more in tune with various energy levels.

    I don’t think that our subconscious has real connection with it. It’s more to our superconscious. But traumas that we keep in our subconscious could block access to our superconscious.

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  7. Hi Simon. Good article.

    > there was some force, possibly part of me, that knew that the earthquake was going to happen at least 2 months before it happened

    Conscious knowledge isn’t necessary nor is knowledge that there’s going to be an actual earthquake. Just sensing some sort of danger is enough

    > that part of me was powerful enough to sabotage a website booking system, but not powerful enough to say, nudge me to teach the course a month earlier or a few months later; and

    A lot of our behaviour is driven unconsciously. It’s powerful but not in the way you meant. The LOA model doesn’t say that a mysterious invisible hand always has to reach out and alter things. LOA works through the path of least resistance (like water and electricity always flow via the path of least resistance) and, if the simplest way of avoiding the danger is to sabotage a website booking, then so be it. It’s a small behavior with powerful effects just like the president of the USA or Russia pressing a little red button in a briefcase. Small action but powerful effects.

    A misunderstanding that a lot of people have about LOA is that it requires something spectacular to happen. Not so. If I’ve got a disease and I try to use LOA, the cure may come in the form of visiting a doctor and getting a prescription for medication. That’s a lot simpler and less resistant than having to rely on invisible energy to zap the bugs.

    It reminds me of the joke about the religious man who prayed to God to save him from a flood:

    ——————
    There once was a flood and everyone had reached safety except for one man.
    He climbed to the top of his house with the water lapping at his feet.
    A helicopter flew over his head and hung down a rope for him to climb, but the man was deeply religious and said, “It’s alright! The Lord will save me!”
    So the helicopter flew away. The water continued to rise and a boat came to him but, once again, the man shouted, “No! Go AWAY! the Lord will come and save me!” and, once again, the boat sped off.
    The water was getting dangerously deep by now so the helicopter came back and, on cue, the man repeated, “I don’t need saving! My Lord will come”
    Reluctantly, the helicopter left.
    The rain continued to pour, the water continued to rise and the man drowned.
    At the gates of heaven, the man met St. Peter. Confused, he asked, “Peter, I have lived the life of a faithful man – why did my Lord not rescue me?”
    St. Peter replied, “For pity sake! He sent you two helicopters and a boat!”
    ——————-

    On the other hand, maybe some sort of invisible energy or restructuring of physical reality does sometimes come into play. For example, as you know, I instantly cured a hernia during my first course with you. At another course I fixed a knee injury. There are numerous examples of instant healing including yourself (the fractured skull). I have great difficulty trying to explain that using the laws of physics and the reason for that is that, according to the laws of physics, instant physical healing is impossible. In order for my hernia to heal, cells would have had to regenerate and realign themselves instantly. Where there was a tear one second, there’s no tear the next second. I fully accept the viability of the McFetridge model of cellular and genetic memory but that only explains the psychological aspects. I also fully accept the link between mind and body but neither explains instant healing. Biological systems simply don’t work that way according to science. According to the known laws of physics, cells take time to grow – they don’t spontaneously appear in an instant from nothing. I say the “known” laws of physics as science is always evolving in response to new discoveries. However, science does not presently accept the phenomenon of instant physical healing and, in fact, everything that science does presently accept would refute even the remotest possibility of instant physical healing.

    > even though that part of me knew that 10,000 people or more were going to be killed, He didn’t think to warn the higher parts of everyone else to get the heck out of there!

    You didn’t have to know or sense anything more than the danger posed to yourself. I fact, you really didn’t have to know anything about the earthquake at all. In the LOA model, you’re not the one orchestrating things – LOA is thing that takes care of the details in response to your vibration. It just matches like vibration with like vibration and that includes your thoughts. Does every thought that comes into your mind do so by conscious choice? Of course not. Our thoughts virtually think themselves based on what we’re thinking at the time. There are some thoughts that we choose consciously but then the mind goes off and thinks thoughts that align with that. That’s why meditation is so difficult – it’s actually difficult to stop the thoughts automatically coming into the mind.

    Of course, standard models of psychology and the brain also account for this but I brought it up because you seem to be saying that you had to know about the danger and then deliberately find a way to cancel the trip. In any event, in terms of the danger to yourself, there’s no difference between an earthquake, a tsunami, a plane crash, a pothole or an angry snake looking for someone to bite. The LOA model says you only create your own experience and have no control over what others experience other than when your experience overlaps with the experiences of others (co-creation). No doubt the earthquake was going to happen eventually but this is just about whether or not you were there at the time.

    > The truth is, stuff happens.

    The truth is that you believe the truth is stuff happens :)

    > “This is beautiful in theory, but in practice it is so incredibly complex (there are so many vibrations going on) that you can almost never say that “A caused B.”

    I agree with this to some extent. It’s true that the sheer number of interactions are so complex that’s often difficult to connect the dots. However, complexity isn’t so much the issue rather the fact that “vibration” isn’t objectively measurable. Quantum mechanics is complex but that doesn’t stop it from being, arguably, the most successful scientific theory in history. It’s never been shown to be wrong even though some of the ramifications of it are disturbing to the “rational” mind. Even though quantum mechanics deals with probabilities rather than absolutes, the variables can be objectively measured and so it works beautifully well.

    I believe that, if it were possible to know all the initial conditions and to be able to objectively measure all the vibrations involved, LOA would be as mathematically precise and predictable as any scientific theory. However, that’s never going to happen so it’s just speculation on my part.

    > Life is huge and complex, and we are but little players.

    Don’t agree with that. Life overall is huge and complex but, in terms of our individual experiences, I think we’re the biggest player there is.

    > Embrace the unknown and live an amazing life, which means freeing up all that time you are wasting by thinking “now why did this happen?”; “what does that mean?;” and “what are my angels/guides/god trying to tell me here?”

    Agree but it depends on the degree. You can get really micro and anal about the smallest things and end up missing the whole point of life – to have experiences. However, I think it’s still important to review the meaning of experiences to some extent. After all, isn’t what RPT is about – to recognise patterns of experience for the “message” it’s giving and then using RPT to clear the blocks so we don’t have to continue the same negative patterns like Groundhog Day?

    > it is possible for your higher consciousness argument to be true, and also so morally dangerous that we should abandon it. That makes it both valid and invalid at the same time (by different standards). I hope you can handle that logic.

    I understand your objection. I’ve also struggled with some of the moral issues that come up with LOA and pre-birth choices (like starving people in Africa, babies that get abused etc. – did they “attract” that?). It’s the one thing that continues to bug me about it. However, I guess that’s the problem when we try to integrate human morality into such things. The workings of the universe and human morality don’t mix well. In fact, arguably that’s what gave rise to religions and superstitions in the first place. Humans have always tried to explain the universe in terms of how it fits into their idea of right and wrong (there’s pestilence so the gods must be angry! The person sank to the bottom of the well so she must be a witch!). I try, as best I can, to take morality out of it. I don’t want to get into the pre-birth choices subject but, in terms of LOA, I think part of the problem is the idea that LOA equates to choice. In my opinion it doesn’t. We can choose to exercise choice by deliberately moving our vibration in one direction or another but most of the time our vibration is in place by default whether by life experiences, what we’re being influenced by or by genetic cellular memory. That’s why it’s so difficult to use in practice – there are so many distractions and things influencing us that it’s really difficult to be vigilant about our vibration.

    To me there’s no intelligence that lies behind LOA. It’s completely neutral just like gravity. We don’t ascribe an intelligence to gravity or electromagnetism. These laws just do what they do based on what’s inputted and they do it the same way every time. There’s no good or bad electricity and we don’t blame electricity when someone gets electrocuted. Nor do we blame someone for allowing themselves to get electrocuted (unless it’s one of those Darwin awards stories). In analyzing the cause and effect aspects of any situation, you can always trace back someone’s actions to contributing to the outcome. For example, I buy a new radio but I don’t know it’s faulty. I go home, plug it in and get electrocuted and die. The subsequent investigation finds that the radio was faulty and it was essentially an accident waiting to happen. The manufacturer gets prosecuted for manufacturing an unsafe product and I’m a victim – I did nothing wrong. However, if we trace back, it was me who bought the radio and it was me who plugged it in. My actions were literally a significant contributing factor to the end result but does that mean my actions were “wrong” or that I’m to blame in some way? Of course not. Literally speaking, I didn’t have to buy the radio or plug it in but I did. I could have decided to buy a different radio but I didn’t. So, literally speaking, there are choices I could have made that would have altered the outcome but, in terms of being electrocuted and dying, I didn’t have any choice. I did absolutely nothing wrong and yet that nasty electricity zapped me.

    I think trying to mix models of how the world works with morals, “right and wrong” and notions of choice and blame is fraught with danger. It can be controversial and emotive (as you’ve discovered) and create an impure foundation that will automatically filter out some of the potential explanations. For myself, I think I’ve been able to avoid some of the morally repugnant ramifications of some new age teachings by looking at them in a way that takes the choice and blame aspects out. By going back to the basics and fundamentals, it can be seen that morality, choice and blame aren’t even relevant – they’re just things that have been overlayed on top that are unnecessary and create conflict where there is none.

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  8. The following message was originally submitted 2 days ago, but as I’ve now found out from Simon- it never reached him. It disappeared into the ether.

    Hi Simon

    I’m a newbie. I have had two RPT healings recently and that brought me to this website. I am absolutely fascinated and impressed by RPT and by lots of your inputs all over the website. I enjoy the blogs also and people’s responses to you. Your inputs and ruminations on the question of divine intervention, on the other hand, really bring up unpleasant feelings in me. It’s fascinating to watch this and to ask myself what’s only mine? What’s also yours? I have no way of knowing the answer to that question, so I would like to ask you some questions. But first let me explain that I am in a massive stage of self-development. I am currently taking two self-development courses. And it is the amazing learning path I am on in these courses that is inspiring me to answer your blog. Currently, in the courses, we are working on “our relationship to life.” Our ruminations about this are posted on a private online forum. In the first reflection question we are asked to describe our relationship to life/beliefs about life. When they speak of “life”, there is a mix of life/God/universe. The second reflection question asks us “In what way(s), if any, does this belief represent a projection onto God the experience you had of primary caregivers as a child?” After many days of blogging and getting responses about divine intervention or not and Japan you tell us about your relationship to life. You write above, “Life is huge and complex, and we are but little players. Instead of feeling overwhelmed by that, embrace it. It’s fun, it’s a little silly, sometimes scary.” I have no idea whether you are in any way projecting onto life your experience of your parents, nor do I want you to give me any details!!!! That is extremely personal. And yet, when I read your “Life is. . . ” sentence it seems to be coming from a younger place inside of you, a place that’s kind of resigned and powerless and ok with that, not from coherence or beingness. You don’t seem to be in your power. And if that’s the case, then your lens through which you are looking at life might need some RPT!

    I think that when we move beyond the typical relationship with life that in my opinion almost all humans have (including the atheists!!!) -life is parent/ God and evolve to life is friendly partner- life is extension of me and I don’t know where one stops and the other begins everything starts to change and all those questions about divine intervention or not change too. I am not saying I know exactly how they change but I believe they change. At that point we are living much more in beingness, the clear intuitive hits we have increase, we are able to discern them as intuition rather than voices of fear we have (coming from R-complex and limbic mind I guess), we follow the intuitive hits, and the appearance of synchronicity/miracles in our lives starts to become normal. My guess is that when large amounts of the earth’s population are partnering with life rather than being life’s children, much less horrible/destructive things happen. We are just so much more in tune with ourselves, each other and the world around us. We are more able to hear the friendly whispers of life and whisper back, acting on those whispers for the betterment of all.

    Going from life’s child to life’s partner is no easy journey- both individually and en masse. I think that RPT can help. I think that RPT is a tool for conscious evolution.

    Back to Japan. . . two crazy questions:

    1) Is there any way that I can help the Japanese people from here using RPT- (even though I haven’t attended any courses yet and I think my beingness is kind of low level- although I have attended other energy healing courses)?

    2) Is there any way I/we can help the whole area of Japan or the nuclear reactors themselves using RPT?

    Blessings,
    Yael

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Yael

    You ask some good questions. I want you and others to know that it’s always fine and healthy to challenge me, my beliefs and ideas. That’s the benefit of blogging – you expose your ideas to the world, and you have thousands of people who can point out your mistakes. Brilliant! (Luckily I’ve cleared my fear of exposure and need to be right all the time else I probably couldn’t do it!)

    I will answer all your questions, but in this first reply I want to comment on this:

    > Your inputs and ruminations on the question of divine intervention, on
    > the other hand, really bring up unpleasant feelings in me.
    > It’s fascinating to watch this and to ask myself what’s only mine? What’s also yours?

    Listen to those unpleasant feelings and explore them. It’s your body reacting to ideas that disturb you. Possible ideas that conflict with your own personal sense of “truth.” Don’t confusing “conflicting with truth” to mean they are bad ideas. Most good ideas start by conflicting with the established truth. Imagine being the first person to realize the world is round in a community that believes it is “God’s truth” that it’s flat. You and everyone you told would get a really unpleasant feeling which is hopefully not being burned at the steak. (bad joke but has truth in it.)

    I know that any time I write about God it brings up fear for people. Even if what I say is simple, logical, almost obvious, people will get so angry with me. I had this a few years ago when I was helping to expose the myth of “Creator” in another modality (TH). I was just making the fairly obvious point that the “being” that was prayed to in that modality is not “All That Is.” It doesn’t question the existence of god, only the existence of fraud. Anyway what happened was that I became overnight one of the most hated people in the TH / fringe spiritual community. Not because I’m a bad person of course but because I made them feel unpleasant. That’s the danger of questioning people’s core beliefs about God. People get threatened on some sort of deep survival level.

    Writing this reply to you has given me some extraordinary insights which I’d like to share. I will have to expand on this in new articles. It has to do with the concept of evolutionary psychology. It is thought that we are hard-wired to believe in god, that we have a “god gene.” It seems that we have evolved the type of brain that makes us believe in god whether or not god exists (this is a biological principle not related to the truth of religion at all).

    What’s amazing to me is that this god gene must be hard wired to our survival instinct, which is in the deepest reptilian brain or R-complex. The way that people feel attacked when you question their identity or concept of God is consistent with a real threat to their survival.

    This is pretty strange to me as a student of evolutionary psychology because the modern concept of God is a human idea – there’s no proof that animals have this idea. Hence let’s call it 100,000 years old maybe. And yet the evolution of the R-complex is 50,000,000 or more years old.

    The part of your brain being threatened by new concepts of god is an ancient survival mechanism. I don’t know how or why spiritual belief could be hard-wired into something so old and so deep. It must mean that there is a deep historical and evolutionary basis for the god experience.

    This is something I will have to research further. Thank you for giving me this insight. I hope that that is some compensation for me having triggered those fears and survival instincts in you!

    [A reminder - I regard evolution and spirituality to be one and the same thing. There is no conflict to me. If you have been taught to reject anything that uses the word evolution then you need to start asking what your religious leaders are so afraid of. There is nothing in evolution or evolutionary psychology that threatens spirituality. Understanding why we work the way we do can only help our spirituality. I will be writing more about evolutionary spirituality soon.]

    Blessings
    Simon

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Yael

    Having taken a philosophical tangent, let me address your points in order. I think we have some different definitions or “reference points.” That’s the fun of life, exploring these differences and learning from each other.

    ➢ You write above, “Life is huge and complex, and we are but little players. Instead of feeling overwhelmed by that, embrace it. It’s fun, it’s a little silly, sometimes scary.”
    > I have no idea whether you are in any way projecting onto life your
    > experience of your parents, nor do I want you to give me any details!!!! That is extremely personal.

    Relax, my life is an open book. You want to know about early caregivers – I’m the first child to a stay-at-home mom and first male grandchild on both sides to stereotypical Jewish parents. In other words I was adored. (Not saying I had a perfect childhood but it was extremely good until my rejection of my parents’ religion starting at about age 12.)

    OK, fit me into your model!

    Personally I stand by what I said as my spiritual truth. I would never push it on anyone else. I find life, in my experience of it, to be fun, silly and sometimes scary. I wouldn’t change any of it (life or that sentence.)

    I’d love to hear from other readers how they felt about that opinion of mine.

    > And yet, when I read your “Life is. . . ” sentence it seems to be
    > coming from a younger place inside of you, a place that’s kind of
    > resigned and powerless and ok with that, not from coherence or beingness.

    I agree that it comes from a younger place. However I have worked hard as an adult to find that younger place. I think I grew up too fast and forgot my childhood ability to “pretend” until fairly recently.

    I credit one of my spiritual teachers, Osho, and a former life coach, Soleira, with teaching me how to find that playful side. There is an intentional childishness in the statement – Life is fun, huge, chaotic. Think about how a 3 year old looks at the world – full of stuff she doesn’t understand. We should ALL look at the world that way.

    The biggest danger I see in the world around me is that it’s full of closed minded adults that have deluded themselves into thinking that they actually have the answers about (a) god and (b) how the world works. If we could all be a bit more like that little 3 year old, the world would be a much happier place.

    My 2c. I’m not invalidating your comment, just saying it’s a recent re-discovery of childhood, not a hangover from the old childhood.

    > You don’t seem to be in your power. And if that’s the case, then your
    > lens through which you are looking at life might need some RPT!

    I respect your view, and I’m happy to hear it from others. For myself, I have never felt more in my power.

    At the risk of sounding repetitive, I think that the really powerful people are those that embrace the spirit of childish wonder at the universe. The so-called “adults,” the political and military leaders that you probably think are powerful – to me they are the fools.

    So I think you and I have opposite reference points for “powerful.” Neither of us is wrong, we have just adopted a different framework for power. Your view doesn’t threaten me, and I hope my views don’t threaten you.

    Also you should know that I never go a week without subjecting my life and my beliefs to scrutiny, whether it is the “lens of RPT” or other modalities. I have a regular weekly healing swap with my brilliant friend and mentor Ken Klee (Professor of Law at UCLA and a great intuitive). I have various other friends that I work with regularly. I would say that this has been the secret of my success, of being able to re-invent myself so easily. I’m never afraid to look at or work on my stuff, and I did it quite publicly.

    > Going from life’s child to life’s partner is no easy journey- both individually and en masse. I think that RPT can help.
    > I think that RPT is a tool for conscious evolution.

    RPT is a tool for conscious evolution but it has its limits, as your next question highlights:

    >Back to Japan. . . two crazy questions:
    >1) Is there any way that I can help the Japanese people from here using RPT

    Not really. RPT is more of a conversational therapy. It has its strengths and limitations like anything. I would suggest prayer/ meditation / energy healing – whatever you are confident with.

    > (even though I haven’t attended any courses yet and I think my
    > beingness is kind of low level

    I don’t know what you think “Beingness” means but it’s not what you think it is. Maybe you are thinking of aura or similar term that is used on New Age healing courses? Beingness doesn’t have levels. Your Beingness just is. It’s not a “THING” like a soul or an aura. Your Beingness is really a VERB not a NOUN. So please don’t use it to judge yourself or compare to anyone.

    > 2) Is there any way I/we can help the whole area of Japan or the nuclear reactors themselves using RPT?

    There are methods I use for remote healing of a person, place or situation. These draw on RPT but incorporate ideas from Ho’oponopono, which is a tool for remote healings. If you know Ho’oponopono you can mix it with RPT ideas of acknowledging the earliest reference point.

    I think a good start – more for those who have taken RPT – would be to consider what vibration in Japan (and in the world) could attract radiation leakage according to LOA. Then see if we can clear that reference point on a group consciousness level.

    Thanks for asking many insightful questions. I have done my best to answer them honestly and thoughtfully.

    Blessings
    Simon

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    Yael Reply:

    Hi Simon

    Thank you very much for your response. Not only do I better understand what you think and feel, I also better understand how what I write could be understood. I think that I am so in my self-development courses, learning things, functioning in that framework that I forget not everyone else has that framework.

    I spoke about your “Life is. . . ” sentences as coming from a “younger place”, a powerless place. And then you wrote:

    ” I credit one of my spiritual teachers, Osho, and a former life coach, Soleira, with teaching me how to find that playful side. There is an intentional childishness in the statement – Life is fun, huge, chaotic. Think about how a 3 year old looks at the world – full of stuff she doesn’t understand. We should ALL look at the world that way.

    The biggest danger I see in the world around me is that it’s full of closed minded adults that have deluded themselves into thinking that they actually have the answers about (a) god and (b) how the world works. If we could all be a bit more like that little 3 year old, the world would be a much happier place.”

    Sorry. I wasn’t clear about what aspect of the child I was referring to in my posts and when I referred to a “younger place” in you. Funny. Yesterday morning I spent half an hour playing with an actual 3 year old who lives in the apartment across from mine. She, like many children, has two sides (of course more, but for the sake of argument. . .) :

    1) the playful, curious, wondering, fun, “let’s pretend” side. This is an amazing side that makes me want to be her! This is “beginner’s mine” in the best sense. It is the doorway to enjoying life and to enjoying one’s own evolution.

    And the little girl has another side:

    2) this is the side that can get suddenly really extremely upset because she has made a false, limited meaning out of something or some thought. This is the fearful child mind that has not yet been well-developed. She thinks in black and white and links things which shouldn’t be linked. Here she really needs good adult guidance, good adult parenting and care to make better meaning out of what has happened and come back to center.

    I was actually referring to this second side when I wrote about “the younger place” or the adult who is in child mind looking at life as a parent. I think that I may have misinterpreted your “Life is. . . ” sentences. I did see the playful side, but I saw the second side too, and that was maybe misinterpreted.

    I would say that the world is not a happier place for several reasons, partly because adults have shut down the first open, curious side of the inner three year old AND also partly because they live their lives with the 2nd fearful side of the inner 3 year old too much in power. We haven’t learned how to re-parent the 2nd side of the inner 3 year old, the inner baby, the inner 14 year old etc.

    Regarding power. . . Oh boy. This is a hard one because I am just learning new ideas of power and powerful. You write:

    ” At the risk of sounding repetitive, I think that the really powerful people are those that embrace the spirit of childish wonder at the universe. The so-called ‘adults,’ the political and military leaders that you probably think are powerful – to me they are the fools. So I think you and I have opposite reference points for ‘powerful.’ ”

    Not sure if that’s true. My definition of power is developing . I guess for me powerful is when you are: 1) embracing the first side of the 3 year old so you can enjoy life and playfully take part 2) re-parenting the second side of the 3 year old so you don’t live your life from fear and 3) co-creating with life from a place of intuitive partnership so that you are freely acting at one with life, and you are an “adult” in the best sense.

    I don’t think that many politicians and military leaders would fit into my above definition of powerful :-) . I also don’t :-) . At least not yet.

    Thanks to all your carefully thought out, honest and time-invested answers Simon, I have more insight into where you are coming from, your journey and your heart. That makes me more open and curious in the areas where we disagree.

    Blessings,
    Yael

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  9. Hi Simon

    I am very sorry if my comment that I submitted a couple of days ago was offensive to you. That is possibly the reason why you have not replied yet. It really wasn’t my intention to offend you or expose you. The truth is that you chose to blog about one of the most personal topics there is. That can attract a personal response. With my response, I just wanted to reflect back to you the possibility that in all your musings and all the wonderfully intellectual arguments about right and wrong, LOA and quantum physics posted on this thread there is something basic that people are missing- the link between one’s own personal story and one’s perception of God/life/the greater you. I am not going to repeat now what I wrote in the previous comment.

    I just want to address one more thing. I have been thinking about one of the issues you addressed on these God threads- your worry that outing yourself as an atheist could harm RPT- the promotion of this technique, your worry that people might then reject you and in rejecting you reject the technique. Well, yeah that’s a possibility. And it’s not only because faith/lack of faith really touches people in a personal way and that for many people faith and healing are linked, and people then react to that. It’s also because, in my opinion, one aspect of RPT- namely “beingness” is incongruent with atheist beliefs and it is incongruent with the statement you made on this thread “Life is huge and complex and we are but small players” Here’s a quote from one of the beingness threads: “The power of being is unleashed when we become the power of the cosmoses at work through us, delighting in the creation of all things amazing and new. This is where our true power lies. . .”

    My sense is that consciously or unconsciously, the readers of this website may be sensing an inconsistency and are thinking that you, with your own beliefs, maybe do not fully stand behind your own technique, and that can indeed hurt the future and credibility of the wonderful RPT that you and Evette and perhaps others have co-created. And no one wants that! Is it possible that because of an old trauma you are unconsciously sabotaging your own work?

    Respectfully,
    Yael

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Yael

    Thanks for your follow up email.

    I am very sorry if my comment that I submitted a couple of days ago was offensive to you.

    I don’t think you could possibly offend me, you seem gentle and kind and you were speaking your truth.

    I just want to address one more thing. I have been thinking about one of the issues you addressed on these God threads- your worry that outing yourself as an atheist could harm RPT- the promotion of this technique, your worry that people might then reject you and in rejecting you reject the technique. Well, yeah that’s a possibility.

    Actually my friend Chris agreed to join the blog as resident atheist (even if he uses the words vibration and energy more than any atheist I know). That frees up my role!

    If you read carefully, I never said that I was an atheist. I am a spiritual atheist. They are not the same thing. I’m very spiritual. I believe in magic and miracles. I teach a course called Mastering the Miraculous. I teach people how to reach the first stages of enlightenment through a process we call coherence. And I believe that all of these things can be explained by evolutionary biology. God is in our DNA. DNA came first. That makes me a spiritual atheist.

    (These are HUGE concepts, don’t worry about understanding everything I believe from that last paragraph, I am devoting this year to understanding and explaining to the world about spiritual atheism and what I call the “supremacy of biology” (DNA came first). This is 10+ years of scientific research squashed into a paragraph so bear with…)

    And it’s not only because faith/lack of faith really touches people in a personal way and that for many people faith and healing are linked, and people then react to that.

    I don’t lack faith, I merely choose, consciously, to not believe in things that are not real. I don’t believe in the man-made god any more than I believe in the flying spaghetti monster. (Actually I kind of do believe in Pastafarianism, but only to make a point to my religious friends.)

    I appreciate your concern for how people would interpret me. However people would have to ignore 99% of my spiritual blog to read 2 words “spiritual atheist” as suggesting I lack faith.

    It’s also because, in my opinion, one aspect of RPT- namely “beingness” is incongruent with atheist beliefs

    Really? You are suggesting that 2 of my most cherished beliefs are incongruent. I carefully defined Beingness in a way that atheists can sit with it and not run away. Beingness is consciousness in action, a verb. We also cover the soul in our Level 2 course and I agree that a hardened atheist (not a spiritual atheist or even a vibrational atheist like Chris) would really not handle that conversation about the soul. But Beingness is something that everyone can understand. If you are not dead then you are a human Being, you have Beingness, you ARE. I AM that I AM, that is my Being.

    That’s a long way of saying I disagree with your definition or understanding of Beingness. Hope I’ve clarified my reference point for Being.

    and [Beingness] is incongruent with the statement you made on this thread “Life is huge and complex and we are but small players” Here’s a quote from one of the beingness threads: “The power of being is unleashed when we become the power of the cosmoses at work through us, delighting in the creation of all things amazing and new. This is where our true power lies. . .”

    Sorry, I’ve read and re-read it through my own definition of Beingness and can’t see any incongruence.

    My sense is that consciously or unconsciously, the readers of this website may be sensing an inconsistency and are thinking that you, with your own beliefs, maybe do not fully stand behind your own technique, and that can indeed hurt the future and credibility of the wonderful RPT that you and Evette and perhaps others have co-created. And no one wants that! Is it possible that because of an old trauma you are unconsciously sabotaging your own work?

    If I am then I cannot see it. I would love to hear from others on this point.

    My only comment here would be to say that I’ve introduced some new and complex concepts recently, like spiritual atheism and the supremacy of biology. It is too much to expect that I can explain these comments in full in one article. Some people will misunderstand them and make the kind of misinformed judgment you are concerned about. I cannot help or prevent that.

    If I spent my life afraid that people would misunderstand me I would never achieve anything.

    Last year I wrote an article about my “personal guru” Tim Ferriss, quoting his blog “The Benefits of Pissing People Off.” I refer back to that here so that before we discuss the downside to RPT of me speaking my truth, you also need to know the downside of holding my tongue, i.e. RPT wouldn’t exist and no one would have heard of me. Definitely read Tim’s blog if you haven’t.

    Blessings
    Simon

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    Yael Reply:

    Hi Simon,

    Well, there are many new terms for me that you speak about like “spiritual atheism” and “the supremacy of biology” and above, “evolutionary psychology.” Lots of interesting new concepts that I am learning about here. I understand what you are saying- that we have different reference points for things and that you cannot write a two page article in the middle of another article to explain new concepts.

    I also see that you and I, I guess because of different reference points, can read/write the same information but each is reading/writing very different things.

    Basically, in several places in your article above, not just the life sentences, I read a kind of separation from all that is, a kind of limiting fear and a kind of resignation in your words. And that is what I was speaking too. I realize now that I may have read that because of our different reference points, not because it was what you were truly communicating.

    Blessings,
    Yael

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  10. Simon Rose Reply:
    March 20th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
    For the record my view on religion is slightly different to Chris’. I would say that all religion has a basis in something, but that it’s naive to think that any religion is “God’s truth.” People who take the bible/torah/koran as the literal word of god are usually the most dangerous people on the planet.

    Fully agree with you.
    There was one wonderful russian scientist (and my friend) Eugeny Torchinov, who made a huge research on this theme and write a set of books about it. Briefly, he point that we should differentiate religion and cult. Almost any church in the world has nothing to religion but to cult. Church – is a political foundation that serves govermental and it’s own goals in the first place.
    But if we look at religion as it was founded – we’ll see that any religion was started from transpersonal experience of it’s founder or so called “religious experience”. And main goal of any religion is obtainment of that experience. Religion has full connection with spirituality. And goal of religion is “how to Be”(in that transpersonal experience), not “what to Do” as we see in churches. When beingness substitutes by doingness – then spirituality’s gone. There’s a place of cult wich teach us “what to DO” to be “spiritual”, for real spirituality comes fron heart, from inside, not from mostly misunderstood rules written by someone. Noone became enlightened because of reading books.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    > Noone became enlightened because of reading books.

    What about by reading a blog?

    :-)

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    I love your description of being v doing. Very close to my heart.

    I grew up in a very religious household where my parents were 100% about doing and 0% about being. In fact I think they don’t have any belief in god or life after death but they are extremely strict about the rules and customs. This is probably why I was put off religion at such a very young age – because it was devoid of all spirituality.

    Years later (in my late 20s) I discovered that there is some spirituality in religion. I asked some teachers why this is never taught at school and they basically said “you have to learn the doing before you can understand the spiritual essence.” Needless to say I disagree.

    SR

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    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    I asked some teachers why this is never taught at school and they basically said “you have to learn the doing before you can understand the spiritual essence.”

    I think that they also don’t know how to Be, but possibly heard somewhere and a bit speculate about it.

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  11. I want to share my own experience, which although not nearly as impressive a situation as avoiding an earthquake, is still very interesting.
    In August 2009, my in-laws came to visit. This was a big deal because they live far away and they are nearly strangers to my twin daughters. It was also a big deal because of massive misunderstandings that just keep happening between them and myself which have made visits and phone calls very awkward.
    In June, all the plans were made and my husband told me his parents would be arriving at 1pm. I said, “Okay, 3pm.” My husband corrected me over and over for the next two months, but I always said 3pm. About a week before they arrived we were getting very tense with each other. I finally said, “I don’t know why, but I can’t say that they are coming at 1pm. Maybe they ARE coming at 3pm?

    The day finally arrived and that morning on the bridge that was the only direct route for my in-laws to travel, two tractor trailers collided. There was a serious fire (although thankfully no one was killed) that ignited the asphalt on the bridge. The bridge had to be closed for many hours for inspection and repair and traffic was seriously backed up. My husband called at 3:05pm to let me know his parents had arrived.

    My husband jokes that I caused a crash to keep his parents away for an extra two hours. I believe that I knew it was going to happen–although I have no idea how I knew, and it wasn’t conscious–at least not at the beginning. It certainly didn’t matter one way or the other when they arrived. It didn’t really benefit me in any way, nor do I feel I attracted it. I have been doing energy work, primarily EFT, nearly daily on myself since March 2006, maybe this has something to do with it, maybe not. But it is clear that I had precognition of the event, although at first it displayed itself as nothing more than poor memory or perhaps poor hearing. It was a small mistake (like what happened on your website) but because it was information that necessitated repetition, it finally became a conscious thing.

    What do you think?

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Kim, what an awesome story.

    Hard to explain it. Coincidence? Or maybe you were really in-tune intuitively? Or maybe your husband is sort-of right and you were really resisting their visit? We’ll never know.

    Although I’m skeptical of almost everything taught in New Age healing courses, including future readings; I also know that all time is Now. There are people with a remarkable gift of making predictions.

    I’m certainly open to these sort of spiritual phenomena. I’d put it down as quantum science I don’t understand yet.

    Before there’s a suggestion of hypocrisy, I want to say that divine intervention and psychic phenomena are 2 totally different things. In a universe without an interventionist god, there’s still lots of room for intuition and knowing things we cannot understand how we know.

    I’ve always been very intuitive and it’s caused me a lot of confusion throughout my life. I’ve learned a lot and suffice to say “sometimes we just know things.”

    You can never placebo test this, you can never disprove it. It just is. Believers will believe, and skeptics will skeptic.

    I believe in intuition because I am intuitive. I believe you are intuitive. In fact I believe all people can develop and refine their intuition with good technique and practice.

    I don’t believe in psychic powers because they are usually a symptom of psychosis – think: hearing voices and seeing stuff that isn’t there. Very New Age but that doesn’t make it real. (This is a big topic and one I’ll be blogging about later this year.)

    Thanks for sharing

    Simon

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    Yael Reply:

    Simon,

    Why can’t the “quantum science that you don’t understand yet” be God?

    Why can’t the “sometimes we just know things” be God?

    Yael

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Sure. I have said elsewhere on this blog that I believe in god, just not in the religious sense. If you define God as the collective total of consciousness on the planet (or in the universe) then I’m the world’s strongest believer.

    It’s funny, that “spiritual atheist” idea of mine really bugs you huh? Even if my underlying beliefs don’t trouble you at all. You got caught up in a label. It’s got me wondering whether it’s me, you or if there are hundreds of silent readers similarly bothered by this. I’d love to hear from others.

    blessings
    simon

    Shane Marsh Reply:

    Hi Simon

    Had to reply via Yael’s reply as the blog seems to only allow 3 levels of replies before the reply function disappears.

    In terms of language, “spiritual atheist” seems like an oxymoron so I think it confuses people as to what you actually mean by that. It’s just a terminology thing but I think that’s what got me wondering what you were on about. I think I understand you a lot better now but it took a while. Hopefully you’ll expand a bit more on the idea as there are still a few things you’ve said that seem inherently contradictory but are probably just a misunderstanding. For example you referred to collective consciousness which is generally thought of as referring to the connection of all minds in a way that transcends the physical. You then referred to unknown quantum effects in your reply to Kim which is a physical science concept that doesn’t require or believe in transcendence of the physical. Again, that may just be a terminology thing but I think the problem is that people have different reference points for the words you’re using. So you use a word in a certain context thinking it means one thing but then that’s misinterpreted by people who think it means something else. Then it seems out of context or contradictory.

    I guess that’s the problem when you have to use words that have a predefined meaning for others that differs from your intended usage of the word.

    Simon Rose Reply:

    Shane
    I am “using” this blog to flesh out new ideas. I have some clear insights in my head but I haven’t taught it in a course, I have not workshopped the terminology. I’m writing as I get insights (and time). So I acknowledge that I might sound inconsistent. Thanks for all your help both on this blog and in numerous emails to help me flesh out new ideas.

    I am working on a series of articles about being very spiritual and not believing in the invisible Dude Upstairs. I agree that “spiritual atheist” is misleading but it’s the best label I’ve come up with.

    thanks again
    Simon

  12. Renee from Melbourne

    Hello Simon,
    Wow there are a LOT of words on this page!
    I don’t know, maybe I am a little bit of a romantic and/or a bit silly lol. I quite like the thought of faeries, angels and my guides looking out for me and working with me as part of a team.
    We are spiritual beings hanging out in a human body with lessons to learn. It is quite possible that we are all the most amazing all knowing, all seeing with only a bit of trauma covering up our amazing abilities. But I don’t know – it seems very lonely.
    Why did the earthquake happen or why have there been so many massive catastrophes already this year? Mother Nature is really good at pointing out things that are out of balance. Maybe it is about the society and culture as a whole. Maybe it is time to take off the masks and question authority. Maybe some of the people lived their divine purpose by being in those particular areas that day. Maybe it is a lesson to all of us that only love is real and to get loving!

    Love to you
    Renee x

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Renee!

    There’s nothing wrong with believing in fairies, angels and guides looking out for you. The fundamental question is whether they are separate from you, or part of you.

    In RPT theory there’s much more to Beingness or consciousness than the average non-enlightened person can fit in their body (so to speak). You could almost think of that extra “spiritual juice” overflowing the container and energizing the room.

    My point is – I’m not asking you to stop believing in fairies. I’m asking you whether you can embrace the idea that the fairies are part of you? Part of your divinity?

    When people tell me “my guides tell me / angels tell me / god tells me”, my own bran translates that to Simon-language as “their spiritual guidance is ….” Basically I figure they can’t accept that they themselves are this amazing spiritual being so they transfer the best bit to their “angels.” Of course you are the angel, and fairy, elf, leprechaun…

    Can you both believe in your fine friends and know that they are You?

    Great to have you on the blog love;

    Simon

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    Leila Reply:

    Hi again Simon,

    I can’t seem to find the exact comment I wanted to link up with here – sorry! And even so – you mentioned somewhere here (forgive me I am NOT quoting and am refering to the gist of what you said) about the risk of what I at least tend to define as mental illness, that certain approaches (of which I hadnt heard of until here) tending to risk an unhealthy disruption for some people so much so that you have had to lots of reperative work with them. I think you even referred to one ‘leader’ or teacher hearing of voices etc and gave a breif diagnosis of what that means….

    And so…. after a decade without any noticeable discussion or relationshp with myself and spirituality I NOW find myself using a combination of tools daily these last six months. This includes: work on the chakra’s, then also guided meditations which refer indeed to angels (and I NEVER thought I’d even be open to this) and as God being something that passes through us and finally Holosync….

    so hmmmm….this is delicate for me at least….I read one of your comments around possible breakdown being somehow linked with, as I understood it, seperating oneself from either the divine or energy (nt sure which or if they r the same for you?) and I felt considerable anxiety. I realised that I had been developing a stronger internal voice, as in the voice in my head …which I defined as my wiser or higher self being accessed and speaking to me in my meditations….and so I would hear these often bloody useful words as if from another part of me and think hmmmmm that IS useful, thank you!

    BUT after reading this post and because of my own experiences I am actually really worried about the possibility that this kind of work is going to trigger me into some kind of break down or hearing of voices in a way that is problematic for me.

    This may sound ludricuous to some – but there has been mental illness in my family, I had a breakdown a decade ago when I honestly was expecting the goddamn trees to speak to me, and I have an aunt who believes she is a medium and hears voices/her guides (she is not a very spiritually developed person on my terms either so I’ve never given it much thought expect to be sceptical about her world and work) I would love to hear more about work which taps into energy and which helps maintain healthy boundaries….

    What are the basic distinctions for you or in your work> Am I right to be nervous of meditations which externalise things into angels and guides?

    I know there are those who saya breakdown is just another facet of human nature and deeper learning, but seriously i would really rather not go there again…

    i just want to keep in touch with these awesome, magical, loving feelings of safety and aliveness when I can and so far the tools I have being using have helped….

    Any thoughts or could you respond in another post one day? With thanks, L

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hello my dear,
    I am so sorry to have caused this stress. It was unintended and a vital lesson to me about the dangerous of speaking my mind so freely…

    The last thing I ever wanted was to cause people to associate spirituality with danger. In general meditation and spiritual practices are safe and are associated (by scientists) with mental good health and life expectancy.

    My comments were not about meditation or even about talking to trees. I was referring to one specific healing technique which has unfortunately caused mental problems. The reasons why have been covered elsewhere and wont be discussed on this blog.

    So I guess some specific spiritual practices are dangerous. When a spiritual healer without even a high school diploma tries to play psychologist because she believes “god told me what to do,” well all I can say is that there’s potential for damage. It’s downright scary, and not surprising that people were damaged. Sure we can laugh about how obvious it seems now but I still have friends caught up in this cult.

    [Let's be frank people - "god" if he/she/it exists, does NOT choose people for special messages and techniques. Anyone who thinks they have been chosen has some ego issues to deal with. Healing techniques come through wisdom, education and insight backed up by practice. Not "God told me how to do it."]

    Enough drama, I hope I have said enough to reassure you. I think you are doing great. You chose not to have another breakdown – very clever – and I see no reason why you should worry about it ever again. If you feel that there are unresolved issues relating to the prior breakdown you could look at a technique like RPT for clearing trauma.

    blessings
    Simon

  13. Intuition and higher consciousness – everything you wrote in this section is almost exactly spot-on with my own point of view with a small exception.

    From MY own perspective (<–hehe, my own lawyering so as not to cause offense inadvertently), "God / Angel / Higher Self / etc”… Higher Self does not fit into the same category as it is a source of power within and of the self, whereas Angels, God, the universe, aliens, fairies etc are seperate entities with a seperate consciousness from the identity that I AM. These days most of the time that i refer to me, i am actually referring to my higher self as this just feels like my REAL identity. For myself (and myself only), I reject any idea that there is any source of power outside of myself. In my present physical incarnation (as Mick Thackray), it is my main goal to evolve spiritually as fas as is possible and let the illusions fall away from the pure connection of this incarnation to the REAL self. So as you can see the higher self that i believe in is more realistically known as self, but for illustrative purposes it is far easier to use the term 'higher self' to differentiate between this and 'incarnational self' (ie Mick Thackray).

    As to the divine intervention part – YES, wholeheartedly, but not in the way you might think. Allow me to further illustrate my beliefs to fully explain why. I believe the higher self (or real self) has a plan or list of experiences that it would like the incarnation to experience. The higher self will always lead the incarnation to situations where the greatest potential for these experiences to occur exists. The incarnation does not return to self (ie physically die) until or unless the experiences the higher self (real self) wished to experience have occured. If the incarnation becomes threatened by anything which would end the incarnation before the experiences happen, the higher self will DIRECTLY intervene (ie the gun inexplicably jams, the suicide jumper miraculously walks away from his 20 story fall or the trip to japan falls through). Perhaps a better term than divine intervention would be direct intervention, as divine alludes to a source of power that isnt self and has all sorts of connotations associated with gods and angels etc.

    Why for you and not others? – Most simply put, your higher self is not theirs. The law of allowance (yes, there are some rules here) would not tolerate the interference of your higher self upon another higher self's incarnation, just as another's higher self cannot interfere with your higher self's plan for you current incarnation (ie Simon Rose)

    It was not necessary for your higher self to warn other higher selfs about the event, as they are every bit as powerful as you and would have indeed known beforehand. I realise that what i say here can be seen as VERY controversial, and apologise to those who may take offense. Keep in mind should i offend you, that my opinions are my own entirely.

    Everything we experience is simply an experience. Duality/polarity is a construct by which to experience things more fully (ie from both sides of the coin). Eg..For my higher self to experience 'Slavery' properly, i would have to incarnate as both slave AND slave owner. To experience morality i would have to incarnate as a 'lightsider'(ie good, morally correct) and a darksider (ie bad, immoral). To evolve spiritually BOTH sides must be embraced, so that duality can be transcended from. So in truth nothing is REALLY good or bad. Judgement makes it so. Death is an experience like any other.
    Rather than send out sorrow and heavy negative vibrations about these wonderful Japanese people who have returned 'home' and left behind the world of physical suffering, would it not be better to celebrate their lives instead, to send out positive thoughts and wishes towards the souls departed and to those wonderfully brave souls still there in the midst of turmoil.

    Perhaps even, the fact that you werent there for the disaster offers you a wonderful opportunity to help that you wouldnt have had otherwise.

    In the end, i guess it doesnt really matter whether or not your higher self directly intervened to help you avoid personal disaster. What matters is where you are now, and what you choose to do from THIS moment
    :)

    Peace.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Mick, great to see you here again.

    Re “higher self,” I really find that this term is too ambiguous. I have done many spiritual courses and I feel that this term has been defined differently each time.

    Let me explain my framework, which is adapted from the McFetridge. We distinguish the soul – which you can choose to believe in or not, up to you, from the DNA and biology.

    One huge breakthrough from McFetridge is the realization that mastery and spirit arise in our DNA, not our soul line as most people think.

    There are many biological minds or “inner voices.” Most people know head-heart-gut, but that’s the beginning. I can count at least 12 minds.

    One biological voice is called the “spirit mind.” Call it the “god gene.” It’s part of our self that gives us our inner sense of godliness. Sometimes people think god is talking to them, but it’s really part of their biology, their spirit self. Call it the “spirit mind.”

    My point is, to me, what I call the higher self and also “personal god” (aren’t all human gods really personal gods?), is my spirit mind.

    I think other people’s definitions of higher self might be inconsistent with that, it’s a definitional thing.

    The degree of spiritual evolution of a person is loosely indicated by the integration of their spiritual mind with their “lower” minds.

    Very loosely I’d say that if someone does no spiritual work, they might not know they have a spirit mind. If they have their spiritual training wheels on, they “hear god”, “command god”, “talk to god” or whatever. If they are getting pretty good at this game, they still might hear it but they know it’s really part of them talking to themselves. The Master doesn’t hear this voice at all because there’s nothing to distinguish the spirit mind from the brain, heart or gut. They have one voice.

    I’ve written more about this on the coherence pages and video. Choose the coherence subject from the list at the right hand column.

    Thanks again for joining us.

    Simon

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    Mick Thackray Reply:

    From your point of view then, “higher self” when I say it would equate to spirit mind. And yes, i will definitely check out that link. More and more lately i find it fascinating to hear about the spiritual beliefs of people who have moved beyond the religion experiential loop. It was a huge revelation to me, not long ago to realise that there TRULY are many paths to truth and spiritual enlightenment, and not only will someone else NOT follow mine, but they are not meant to. As if by design, every person’s path is MEANT to be unique! The more i listen to others, the more i believe this.

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    Mick Thackray Reply:

    Quick update – I dont think spirit mind IS what i refer to as ‘higher self’ after all. I have read the coherence link and watched the video. Probably more like ‘real self’ as described in my original post here. We seem to have many beliefs in common, but also many that arent. I find that fascinating. eg I read somewhere on your blog about believing all time is now, which is in sync with my own beliefs. Where we most likely differ on that is How we believe it..ie my POV stems from the belief that ALL of my incarnations are happening at the same time (and this is why past life therapy works and past lives can be healed and ‘tapped in to’) This is why it is not necessay to consciously understand or experience everything that is, because one of the other of my incarnations IS/HAS experiencing/experienced this. Sorry to go so off topic here. I hope I’m not intruding with my posts. I have just found lately that this is a marvellous place to read and participate in discussions. I love reading everyone’s point-of-view and have nothing but respect for everyone’s unique perspective. Keep sharing guys, it’s awesome

  14. Just out of interest, will there be a point whereby you share your entire perspective on life and spirituality? I and probably many others would find this fascinating.

    Also, from your disclaimer, it is stated that this is not the beliefs of your co-founders in RPT. Could they also be convinced to share their own perspective as well?

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Mick
    I figured if I share it all at once people will run kicking and screaming! Just kidding, but I’m building up a logical philosophical framework with help from people like you.

    My wife recorded a neat intro video which is on our you tube channel and I’ll be posting it here shortly. Where we disagree for instance is whether her spirit guides are part of Her, i.e. her spirit mind (my view) or independent spiritual beings (her view). It’s not a big deal, but she deserves the disclaimer that RPT is not Simon. I may be the face and the mouth but she’s the brains!

    Hopefully she’ll blog some more here (she’s done a few articles). Right now Evette is flat out finishing her book on healing sexual abuse.

    cheers
    Simon

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  15. Hi Simon,
    Really interesting post, haven’t had time to read through all the comments yet, but I was just discussing with a friend today about this topic, in a certain healing modality you are very familiar with , the idea is that Creator/God does a thing for you, and you are witness or channel …. Like a friend of mine gave a great seminar in this modality, for the first time, and she said “It wasn’t me, God did it” , I told her no “You did it , and you were guided”
    I think this belief removes any sense of personal power and trust in our skills and intuition!

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Maysan

    I have written a lot about the dangers of that ThetaHealing and prefer not to get dragged into it again. There’s a few good videos on the subject on youtube by me and others (see link below).

    I can only speak for my personal experience. The idea of a separate god doing the work damages people’s spirituality and their ego. I have had to help people who went into mental institutions after experieincing that modality. Whilst my experience wasn’t so dramatic, I had what probably counts as a mental breakdown.

    When I escaped the cult (and it is one by virtue of the brainwashing), I needed a lot of help from a brilliant spiritual coach and an amazing therapist to rebuild my spiritual Being. So many years of going “up” to find god had literally ripped my spirit mind out of my body. In other words you slowly create a state of permanent psychosis, a form of personality disorder (not as bad as the multiple personality disorder which the founder of TH has). That was the spiritual damage. The ego damage was that every time you say “I didn’t heal you, god did” you discredit and damage your own Beingness. Once or twice is nothing but after a few years it’s real damage. In the end you lose pride in your work and your capabilities. The truth of course is that there is no “upstairs” to do magic. It always was and always will be YOU. There is no ego in knowing how amazing You are which is just as amazing as everyone else on the planet can be.

    After having a breakdown and a year of wonderful healing, I was able to pull everything I’d learned from the experience to co-create RPT with my wife. I wouldn’t change anything about my TH experience; but I wish I could do more to help people like your friend. Unfortunately every time I try to reach out and help people who are damaged by that school, I end up attacked and attracting much too much drama in my life!!! They’ll find me when they are ready.

    Thanks for joining our blog
    Simon

    PS so long as you have a sense of humor about this whole subject, this is brilliant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY82xICkoRg I have no idea who did it but he/she obviously studied that modality for a long time.

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    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    >>PS so long as you have a sense of humor about this whole subject, this is brilliant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY82xICkoRg I have no idea who did it but he/she obviously studied that modality for a long time.

    Nice animation. :)

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  16. This is my first post to the blog which I’ve started to read with great interest, thank you! I will attend RPT training in London next month and I really look forward to it :)
    Regarding all these different belief systems I would like to ask a question to all of you who have commented and of course Simon:
    Have you read any book by Robert Monroe?

    Journeys Out of the Body (1971) ISBN 0-385-00861-9
    Far Journeys (1985) ISBN 0-385-23182-2
    Ultimate Journey (1994) ISBN 0-385-47208-0

    If not, please do! I’m not saying that he has ALL the answers, but I think you might enjoy the reading.

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  17. This seems like a very nice, supportive and understanding group, so I choose to be honest regarding the circumstances in my life. I DO believe in some kind of intervention. This is why…
    In 1999 I met a wonderful man and we liked each other instantly. He was a musician who inspired and challenged me, two years later he became my partner and then in 2004 died in his sleep at 31. As a result, with life turned upside down and his spirit by my side (and he definitely wasn’t part of me or my imagination), I discovered energy medicine through a woman who practiced B.O.S. (body operating system) and cured the anemia I had my whole adult life. About that time, I read “Excuse Me… Your Life is Waiting” by Lynn Grabhorn, followed quickly by “Dear God… What’s Happening to Us?” which resulted in healing when I followed the instructions Lynn received through dousing. Incidentally, my “religious” beliefs are very close to the story she gives, at least for now.

    I decided to leave Canada and go to Ireland on a one year work visa, and everything was magic. Despite having no previous experience, I landed a nice office job at a bank (through a temp agency that shared the surname of my dead partner no less) a short walk from my flat and I met a new soul mate in my Irish roommate who is to this day one of my dearest friends. The only thing that went wrong was a relationship with an Irish man which turned me off Irish men. It was REALLY crazy and I still don’t fully understand what happened. Then I met the American man who is now my husband. I strongly disliked him when we first met, and as a result, I reluctantly decided to give Irish men a second chance with a nice older fellow named Bill. He invited me to the same place where my husband was the doorman. Then completely unexpectedly disappeared forever into the ether, standing me up and giving my husband a second chance. The third time we met, he and I had the kind of physical attraction that could light bystanders on fire. We were engaged 3 weeks after our first date, and since he is “clinically sterile” and had taken the tests to prove it, and I have a short luteal phase (makes me reproductively challenged), we decided to try for children, even though it was not the best time. On our first try, I became pregnant with identical twin girls (incidentally, it was that night that my dead partner left me–I believe he is my eldest daughter now–there have been strong and spontaneous indications). (By the way, this was also the dead end for our crazy chemistry. We still love each other, but we’re more like roomies most of the time.) Being pregnant with twins meant leaving Ireland almost 4 months early. My husband developed a hernia and Canada was the cheapest place to pay for the repair, so we landed here. My husband had to be sponsored for a job, because he is not a Canadian, and he not only found a job, but it has been very stable and his income has doubled in 5 years–though it makes him a little sick. My husband also has beliefs very close to mine–I’m not sure I could have found him on my own, and I’m not sure I did. This has given me the freedom to not work and stay at home with our daughters. My daughters were born “constipated”. They had a milk and soy protein allergy and because I have never liked the solutions of doctors, I turned to EFT. Over and over again, I would “cure” them for a week or a month and then the problem would return. I think they are “pushing me”. I think they may have been sent to do so. When my daughters were about 9 months old, my husband developed diverticulitus (an intestinal infection) and I developed the ability to feel what others were physically and emotionally feeling–lucky me! That gift became debilitating and after another year I figured out how to turn it off. I eventually cured my daughters using my own take on Matrix Energetics. I have only attended one introductory EFT class, all of my other learning has been through books, experimentation, and asking questions from my guides.
    I know there are more “coincidences” and moments of providence, but I’m very tired and need to get to sleep. I hope we’ll meet one day Simon. I found you strangely enough through reading about the TH cult scam on her daughter-in-law’s blog. I seem to be able to find good even in the most nasty things.
    I hope I haven’t bored anyone with my story. :) Have some fun explaining it!

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Kim
    thanks for sharing your story. It’s a beautiful story and one I can relate to in place, for instance Evette and I were engaged within 2 weeks of meeting.

    I see nothing in your story that challenges what I said about divine intervention. I read that you had some great “luck” and awful luck. In other words you have experienced tragedy and you have experienced the miraculous. You have some wonderful gifts and abilities and you are learning to use them.

    What I would like to see for you is this: as you move more into your power and develop your abilities, OWN them. Be the creative force that is healing your husband and children. Don’t wait for some imaginary figure to intervene.

    Really, reading your story, I see no intervention at all, divine or otherwise. I see a wonderful person doing her best to process all that life has thrown at her. The only divine Being intervening in your life is You.

    Blessings
    Simon

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    Kim Reply:

    Hmmm… what could be more dis-empowering than a belief in “luck”? I enjoy a TV show called “The Listener” and last night one character said, “Luck is where experience and skill meet opportunity”. I don’t believe in luck–but I could believe in that definition.

    I completely own my abilities, and if you could meet me you wouldn’t doubt it for a minute; I have worked hard for them. I don’t believe they were given to me, but I do believe I was led to them, or the realization of them. I also believe that everyone has these abilities if they choose to develop them. I work almost every day toward my goal of finding a way of healing that can be done instantly, from anywhere in the world whether the subject knows about it or not AND that works completely 100% of the time. I know I have lofty goals–but I might not figure out teleportation in this lifetime. :)
    I also question authority, including my god and my guides. I question them constantly and thoroughly, and they want me to do so. The world doesn’t need followers, as long as all leaders are willing to pull their share of the load.
    I choose this strange, sometimes isolating life, what’s more is that I enjoy it. Of course, I tried not to choose my husband–but I was over-ruled. I have also been hit by debilitating physical symptoms much like a hangover (I don’t drink or do any drugs stronger than aspirin) a few times when I wanted to do something that was deemed in some way dangerous or inadvisable to me by my guides. As soon as my window of opportunity closed, the pain evaporated. I would call that intervention, but like any other anecdotal example , you had to be there. I feel no need to convince anyone else that my beliefs are the truth–but I do like to share and get feedback. I am interested in healing–preferably anonymously– it doesn’t matter to me what people believe.
    I am very glad to have discovered you Simon, RPT is fitting very nicely into my work and I look forward to the opportunity to purchase the new and improved DVDs.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Kim
    You want my definition of luck? How about “Luck is the application of a universal principle known as the Law of Attraction (LOA). When things synchronistically happen that we can’t explain, we call it luck. The Law of Attraction has no value judgment, it merely attracts vibration to similar vibrations. Hence the phenomenon of good and bad luck.”

    Now that you have my definition you can see what you mean by you were just lucky – it’s just shorter than saying you have magnetized some awesome, and some painful, experiences.

    I honestly have to say that I see nothing in your story that comes within miles of what I call proof of divine intervention. I see only luck or LOA.

    If a boat sinks and one person survives on floating debris, is this proof of divine intervention? I don’t think so. They were lucky. That’s a quick way of saying that their Beingness attracted to them an opportunity to survive when others wouldn’t.

    Your comments about owning your power and believing in divine intervention seem irreconcilable to me. They are mutually exclusive in my understanding of the universe. I I am happy to “agree to disagree” but I would love to hear your way of reconciling these.

    BTW I’ve survived more near-death experiences than I can tell you. From underwater scuba explosions to experiences with Colombian guerrilla terrorists during a civil uprising. I’ve been food poisoned, and someone intentionally infected me with a virus. I wouldn’t even know where to begin with crazy shit in my life. I’ve smashed my head open too many times to think about.

    I’m phenomenally lucky. I don’t thank the invisible imaginary friend for this. I created it, I own it, and now I share it with others.

    With love
    Simon

    ps I survived the scuba explosion thanks to the quick thinking of a dive master (I attracted the right people), survived the uprising thanks to a new-found friend (I attracted the right people), the virus actually didn’t take or affect me because I don’t have the worthiness issues that make people susceptible to viruses (again LOA in action). The food poisoning sucked but what’s a few days of giardia for a lifetime’s amazing luck?

    Kim Reply:

    Simon, I agree to disagree with you and offer my virtual hand. We may never KNOW the truth. I’m good with that. Maybe knowing isn’t as powerful as we think. After all, as has been pointed out humanity used to KNOW the earth was flat. I’ve kind of got a funny “out” here. I believe that the whole universe is inside God, so of course I am God in the same way that the mitochondria inside my cells are me.
    I think the joke about the man who believed god would save him from a flood is a good illustration here. The man turns down help from two helicopters and a boat, and when he dies he confronts his god, who says, “I sent you two helicopters and a boat!”

    I believe that god helps those who help themselves, but we have the right to ignore or refuse the help that is sent. My view of the world is very much supported by the “Matrix” films. I believe we can learn to change pretty much anything here, that we are godlike ourselves. I also think most of us need some sort of Morpheus to come along and unplug us. I am absolutely COUNTING on people like yourself, because it seems (and please correct me if I am wrong) that your view doesn’t allow for my anonymously healing someone I have never met without their knowledge, but I have done so. It is most important to me that no one can ever prove that I healed anyone–because I never touch them and outside of my family I am never even in the same room. Like I said, anonymity is important to me. So if you believe that only the individual can heal themselves, the random and anonymous acts of healing I have planned as my career once I figure out the last few glitches are impossible even to you, and that’s most reassuring!

    Kim Reply:

    I was just making tortillas by hand–which is great meditation–and thinking about all of the dangerous situations you have managed to live through. My fascination isn’t about how you got out of them, it’s about why your Beingness attracted so many disasters in the first place. LOA is a double edged sword, isn’t it? But I am also happy to find you still with us.

    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Kim
    I’ve been sitting with your comment for a few hours, feeling into it. I really cannot fathom where we disagree, except that it feels like you need me and “counting on me” (your words) to disagree with you. Are you aware of creating conflict – even good naturedly like this – in order to help you find your truth? In RPT terms we would call it a suppressed association between conflict and success.

    As to the anonymous healing thing, sure we do that all the time. Often in class and many people on this blog are my witness. For instance in Los Angeles in 2009 we used our most powerful technique, the “Re-Conception” taught on Level 2, and we did a remote healing on a student’s daughter with fibromyalgia. 2 days later she went to the doctor and had no sign of it. I would have to say that her mother (our student) was pretty impressed since she is now the manager of RPT in the USA. The daughter has no idea about it since she doesn’t believe in healings.

    I’m not sure what you were getting at about the remote healing thing, nor even about that great story about god sending the boat – I use that one in class a lot too. Both these things play right into my argument that:
    a) there’s no divine intervention
    b) there’s god separate to me
    c) the only magic and miracles I will witness are those I Create and take responsibility for myself.

    I do magic every day of my life, I just don’t give the credit to any imaginary friend upstairs.

    I am totally lost and maybe bewildered by why it is reassuring to you to think that I don’t agree with what your life plan is (anonymous healings), especially given that I do in fact agree. I’m so confused by your message I confused even myself! :-)

    Love the dialogue, thanks.
    blessings
    Simon

    PS you raise a great question about why I attracted that stuff (and I barely touched the surface). All of it had to do with not following my life path. You could call some of them “wake up calls.” I think that’s appropriate since I was sleeping through my life.

    The brain tumor was the mother of all wake-up-calls, the big one that I finally listened to. Most of the near-death stuff stopped after that except for a few scares in 2008 which related to my remaining in T*H* after realizing it was a scam (I was out of integrity). Since founding RPT I have been healthy without any dramas, I’m happy to say!

    I would say that these wake up calls were a wonderful example of the LOA, and definitely NOT examples of upstairs intervention. They were if anything examples of unconscious sabotage and even a cry for help.

    Kim Reply:

    Okay Simon, here is my best shot at why your philosophy does not permit belief in anonymous healing. Keep in mind, nobody can ASK for the healing if it is to be truly anonymous. I’ve included lots of quotes from your original post. Oh, and for the record, I’m not “counting on it” all that strongly. The point is that once I develop my abilities to the point where I can do what I want, I would rather have zero media/government attention. To do that there can be no way to connect me to the healings.

    “So, after lots of contemplation and philosophy, my firm belief is “No. I do not believe in divine intervention of any sort.””

    If as you say, we are each the divine, then the practice of anonymous healing is clearly divine intervention of a sort. Divine intervention between gods, perhaps? That is why I did not think you could believe in anonymous distance healing. Lawyer it out, you’ll see it eventually because the logic is very clear. :)

    “Intuition to me is not information from outside, it’s information from parts of our self that we can’t squeeze into our consciousness. When someone says “God told me…” or “my message from my angels…” or whatever – what they are basically saying is this: “I cannot believe that I am so extraordinary to have these insights, so I’m parceling that spiritual part of myself into a separate being that I call God / Angel / Higher Self / etc.””

    I mean no insult, but that seems very arrogant to me. I don’t believe my angels are Biblical angels. I call them that because people understand that concept. In fact, my god is not the Biblical god—although it is our creator more or less—and the Bible is not its words. Is it so incredible to believe that there are other forms of life that we can’t see with our eyes because they do not reflect light as we do, but rather we see them and feel them with other senses? (If you want to understand me more clearly, please read Lynn Grabhorn’s “Dear God! What’s Happening to Us?” I promise it is a quick read, and although it seems to have been dismissed by everyone but me, I stand by it for better or worse.) Why can you not believe that you are so extraordinary that one of these energy beings might take an interest in you, especially considering the work you do? Just look at humanity and all the ways we intervene with all of the other creatures on the earth. If we like to intervene to the point of playing with DNA, isn’t it possible that these energy beings occasionally or even regularly do the equivalent? I say to my husband that anyone could learn to do what I am doing. He says that isn’t true. Could anyone have created RPT? Maybe, but maybe not now, and there seems to be a sense of urgency. Perhaps you are important in a way you can’t yet comprehend. And if Lynn was correct about a battle between the Light and the dark over humanity, it could be this tug and pull that has resulted in so many cases of good and bad luck for you—someone needs you out of the way, but someone else needs you.

    “Given that I believe that divinity is a part of our own sense of self; clearly I am not going to believe in an invisible hand that creates, or closes, opportunities for us. If there is a guiding force that makes things happen (or not happen), then that guiding force is a part of You. [As I quoted Sir Terry Pratchett last week: “Someone up there is looking out for me. It’s probably Me.”]”

    Just because you can’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s invisible. As my daughters will point out—you just need to use a different kind of eyes. Besides, even the Bible’s God has many chosen ones.

    “I mean think about the idea for 10 seconds and you can see how foolish it is – why would I deserve divine intervention but not the thousands who died? What about my friend Paul who was married in Tokyo last Saturday? Didn’t he and his guests deserve a bit of divine intervention? Clearly, the idea is silly.”

    Clearly Paul’s wedding didn’t catch anyone’s attention—or maybe it wasn’t as easy to derail as your seminar. Think of a child that has a favorite ant among the thousands in an ant hill. Favoritism is a very natural, unfair and sometimes necessary thing. As to the thousands that died, natural disasters happen and it isn’t always possible to save everyone. That’s a hard lesson that applies to all beings.

    “I have the same thought every time I watch the Oscars or the Olympics and see the medal winner thank God for their win. Why would God favor that winner over the hundreds who tried – and whose belief in God is just as strong?”

    Yes, their BELIEF is just as strong, but not their desire or dedication. God doesn’t bet on weak horses. Except in my case, but just because no one else volunteered and I kept jumping up and down at the back of the class with my hand up yelling, “Pick me! Pick me!” Although I think It is happy with how things are going, even if I am a bit slow sometimes.

    “In fact that’s the beauty of the system. Life is huge and complex, and we are but little players. Instead of feeling overwhelmed by that, embrace it. It’s fun, it’s a little silly, sometimes scary. Embrace the unknown and live an amazing life, which means freeing up all that time you are wasting by thinking “now why did this happen?”; “what does that mean?;” and “what are my angels/guides/god trying to tell me here?””

    Actually just last week I had my greatest personal break-through in a long time by pondering something seemingly random until I saw something that I had missed. It was obviously not time wasted for me. If I had just “embraced” it, I would still be back there and still stuck.

    I also wanted to address this: “[Let's be frank people - "god" if he/she/it exists, does NOT choose people for special messages and techniques. Anyone who thinks they have been chosen has some ego issues to deal with. Healing techniques come through wisdom, education and insight backed up by practice. Not "God told me how to do it."]”

    I think that anyone who believes that God could never choose them has some self-esteem issues to deal with. :) If you knew me, you would know that I am about as humble as humans come, and I do believe I have been chosen—under duress mind you, as explained above. I literally begged for the opportunity, and as much as the path is very difficult some days, I couldn’t be happier with it. It concerns me that your experience with Theta Healing may have damaged you in ways that you have not yet addressed—ways that might be closing you up when you want to be opening.

    Once again, thank you for the blog, and blessings to you and yours.

    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Kim,

    I am enjoying this dialogue.

    Unfortunately it has gotten far off topic. I am only replying where it’s relevant to today’s topic about divine intervention. Please try to stay a little on topic because it is not possible to debate the full spectrum of spirituality on one page.

    On the subject is of divine intervention, I remain convinced that you are so keen (desperate?) to disagree with me that you are twisting my words to create a disagreement when there is none.

    In your ungodly enthusiasm (pun intended) to disagree with me you made this bizarre statement:

    > If as you say, we are each the divine, then the practice of anonymous healing is clearly divine intervention of a sort.

    I think every other reader on this blog knows full well that when I say “Divine Intervention” I mean invisible beings, not humans exercise free will. The two are totally opposites.

    I believe in You and I don’t believe that Upstairs intervenes. I can’t really get much simpler.

    I think you know full well that a (divine) human being doing a healing or helping someone (up close or distant) is not the same thing as an invisible Dude Upstairs reaching down with His Hand (*) to intervene in the lives of humankind.

    (* footnote: replace “His Hand” with “His Noodly Appendage” (if like me you are a Pastafarian sympathiser).

    Kim, I admire your enthusiasm for debate. What I don’t get is your desparation to disagree with me that causes you to misquote me so terribly badly. I feel that it is now distracting and misleading other readers of the blog.

    Please adjourn this discussion until I have posted a new article on the god topic you are so passionate about.

    Great to have you here clarifying my position. Bless you for your energy!

    Simon

    Kim Reply:

    Thank you, but no article will be necessary.
    I’ve learned a lot here, but it feels done.
    All the best on your path.

    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Kim, it has been a pleasure. Thanks for all your comments.

    Whilst I will be sad to lose you as a reader, I rejoice in being released from being your contrarian. I am not nearly as controversial or disagreeable as you’d have me believe! :-)

    > but no article will be necessary.

    My dear, I would never write a article for one person. This blog – just like this dialogue between us – has always been about helping everyone. The articles about our interpretation of God will be written because they need to be.

    Incidentally you have given me a good idea for an article about distant healing, I’ll probably post it tomorrow.

    best wishes
    Simon

  18. hey Simon- you say you based alot of your beliefs off of the Peak States research. They certainly do seem to coincide with your statements but one thing remains quite incongruous. Peak States has a “creator state”( and a few more like it) in which you connect to God. I have the creator state and it is pretty lovely.
    i believe in empowerment and our untapped potential, but i also respect judeo-christian and shamanic and other religion’s beliefs. I enjoy seeing winners and losers thank God at the end of a game but having been in those circles it is not necessarily ” hey God, thanks for the win” as much as “hey God, thanks for this experience”.
    I do believe in God, and His/Her intervention in my life. i think healing and God are different. we dont have to believe in the same things to heal each other.. this may sound quite contrary to your posts but i know there is a God and i am not her…

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Hi Teresa, nice to hear from you again.

    I don’t really think we disagree at all, it’s just a conversaion about beliefs and defitions.

    I really need to make a major clarification before other people are mislead by what you wrote about Peak States. I did not base a lot of my beliefs on Peak States – actually I disagree with a lot of their beliefs. I am truly inspired by their research. I’m also disappointed by the lack of results (that 100% success thing never lived up to its claim) and mostly put off by how dangerous all their stuff is. I spent a bit of time last year doing emergency RPT treatments on an ex-Peak States practitioner who was so totally traumatized by the process of their work. (she was on the research tea not a regular client.)

    I am inspired by McFetridge, but that’s it. I obviously don’t agree with them 100% (or even 80%), else I’d be a Peak States practitioner and not teaching RPT. That says it all really. I love McFetridge’s underlying research and I quote it regularly. But I disagree with how that research is applied. I’m glad I have been able to refer people like you to him – I hope you got the results you were looking for? But his whole “healing is dangerous” shtick – I have no patience for. I tried learning his method from the books and didn’t get further than the 10 page list of all the ways his work could kill you. Not for me, thanks.

    The reason why I mention Peak States on the blog is that I feel I have to give credit to my sources of ideas and information. It would be plagiarism otherwise. However I also regret it because I get almost an email a day asking me whether RPT is as dangerous as Peak States from someone who went to their site and read all the warnings and disclaimers. I spend so much time telling people that we don’t practice their work and we don’t believe in dangerous techniques…. makes me almost wish I never mentioned them!

    Phew, long tangent but I had to get that off my chest. I could see so many people reading your post and going -ooh I want to read where Simon’s beliefs came from. No no no! Simon’s beliefs came from experimentation and just trying to help people. Does this work? How about this?

    I said all that just as a general disclaimer. Now let me be specific – My interpretation of the Creator Peak State does not require it to be an external source. When I did the Creator Peak State process it was like an integration of parts of me that were always there. At the time I recall describing it on my old blog as “Already Always Connected” to source, rather than doing a process of connection.

    As to whether there is a separate God separate to you, it depends on your definition of God and your definition of You. I do of course believe in God, just my own definition. And I believe in You, probably a much broader and more spiritual definition than you gift yourself. So I might see you and God as 2 parts of the same whole, whereas you might feel that there are 2 separate beings. Who is right? We both are. It’s not a debate worth

    As it happens I believe in a Taoist concept of God but I do not believe in the concept of a “creator.” This is another story for another blog – coming soon.

    Please send our love to Mark. I hope your daughter is coming along well.

    love & blessings
    Simon

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    Dmitry Yeschenko Reply:

    Hi, Simon

    That was very useful clarification about Peak States. Thank you for it. And if it’s possible, may be it’ll be good if you make a kind of list of your disagreements with McFetridge. (May be with short comments).

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    OMG No Dmitry!

    I love McFetridge and have nothing but respect for the wonderful work he has sourced into this world. He is a diamond among men, a visionary and an inspiration. His work saved me and changed my life. It was two of his teacher/practitioners who pretty much saved my life when I was having my ThetaHealing induced breakdown. They got me sane again and back on the path to truth.

    My disclaimer was just intended to say “I’m allowed to disagree” or “Don’t automatically assume I agree with everything he says.” It was not meant as an attack.

    My god, the last thing I need is another backlash for being anti-Peak States, like the 2009 backlash about being anti-Theta. [Doesn't matter that it's damaging people, I'm not allowed to be anti anything!]

    McFetridge, if you read this, you are bloody marvelous! Thankyou. I know you don’t mind people debating and building on your work, and of course disagreeing with you from time to time.

    :-)
    Simon

  19. Simon, may be you don’t understand me…
    I don’t have anything against Peak States. They do amazing work, especially on research. But when I look what tech do they use – it was a bit stange to me. Their WHH is not so bad instrument in a good hands. Even thou I do know much better and safer one working on the same principles. But it was very strange for me to see that they still use EFT, for this thech never gives really stable results. It only discharges a problem, but never gets to the bottom.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    No misunderstanding мой друг, I understand you, I just didn’t want anyone else to misunderstand me.

    As I said, I don’t like being labeled “anti-” anything, especially when we are talking about one of my greatest teachers. There’s enough duality in this world already.

    My vision for this board is that we can share transformational ideas, without adding to drama.

    blessings
    Simon

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  20. What a fascinating blog!

    Blessings,
    Yael

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  21. Simon,

    Doesn’t the super conscious you refer to live all of life and not only human life? I believe this is why “nature” can be an environment of incredible inspiration or coherence to use your very descriptive term. Look at Emerson, Thoreau, John Muir – people who were brought to coherence in it’s midst. What we call nature is in fact the environment of coherence and everything else is some form of domestication, “civilisation” is some mitigation of coherence. My understanding of the unique position of humans is that we are the only beings who mitigate, consciously and unconsciously, coherence.

    My intuitive fear of GMO food sources, that seems to be born out in much research, seems to be communicated with this elegant description you offer of the holographic universe. The food chain gets interrupted with incoherent food and the body then incorporates that incoherence. Rats who are fed GMO diets for example, are shown to be infertile in as few as two generations.

    I look forward to your new website and your continuing blogs.

    Sarah

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    wow Sarah, you’ve given me a rare “incoherent” moment where my heart and my head say different things. It lasted for nearly a minute in which I wanted to say “yes” and “no” at the same time from different minds. That’s really cool (in a weird way because I’m not used to it and you’ve given me something to work on).

    My head, logically, agrees with you that super-consciousness includes all life forms.

    My heart, gut and spirit mind, knows that this isn’t exactly right. What’s true isn’t always logical!

    I’m am working at resolving this. I don’t like the ego-centric way that some people put humanity on a pedestal. On the other hand humans are unique in our brains. We evolved a mechanism for consciousness and comprehending god, Beingness and the greater universe. Special mention here goes to dolphins and whales I think too.

    To resolve the confusion I think we need to be clear in our terms. Clearly any sort of “All That Is” includes well, all that is. But Consciousness might just be animals that have consciousness. Of course this is misleading because we are part of the flow of Life, as you indicate. Tampering with that (GMO) has consequences to the entire food chain, the flow of life.

    You can tell I used to be a lawyer right. And that I aspire to be a philosopher! To me (like every lawyer and philosopher), every single disagreement is really just a matter of definitions.

    Here’s to Life (all of it) and to the human super-consciousness which created god, angels and all the fun stuff my friends play with!

    blessings
    Simon

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  22. Hi Simon,

    I can’t reply to the conversation you and Kim are having up there because the blog won’t let me add a reply there. There are things my mind has wanted to say in relation to that conversation and to others here, but I have not said it because I have been realizing just how complex (and fascinating) this conversation is. There are so many layers to it. Even my own reference points don’t seem to stand still. They swim around a lot, and then I have to start all over again with a question or argument inside my mind. I think that in essence so many of the things being talked about are pardoxes. They are unsolvable Koans. And yet it is human and pushes our growth to try to solve them anyway.

    So I just want to say that I sure am glad that you are “phenomenally lucky” :-) !!!!!!! (If I understand you correctly, your reference point for “luck” is that it is a combination of beingness and LOA.) I’m just glad you’re here and that you’ve survived all those dangerous situations. And I am glad for everyone’s “luck” and really enriching participation on this blog.

    I am also very curious to hear Evette’s view on God etc. whenever she has the time.

    Blessings,
    Yael

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  23. I came across this website because a friend of mine said I would find it interesting on a specific level, and I do, as to what level I will get into that in a bit.
    I would like to start out with a little about myself – I am currently an IT administrator for a software development company that still has had growth over the economic down turn. I am also the sole income provider for a family of four and while we are living within our means with very little in debt (i.e. one car loan, and a student loan ) we are still well above the poverty level one might even say upper middle class if those terms still apply. That is me as I am today, though in my opinion where I came from has much to do with who I am today. So now really for what makes up “Dalben”.

    . I was an adopted child which is the reason which lead to abandonment issues and was adopted by the age of 4 months. I left home telling my father to “f- off “ that he wasn’t my real father which lead to me being homeless for 2 and a half years in center city Philadelphia, during which time I did many things for which I am ashamed and some of which I still haven’t found it in myself to forgive myself. You may ask yourself why I ended up on the street – very simply I was trying to subconsciously kill myself due to feelings of worthlessness, abandonment and so on. I almost got my wish I was shot at with the bullet narrowly missing my head from point blank range (if I hadn’t of fallen it would have gone through my forehead. The range was 3 feet (he was across a desk from me)) doing one of those things that I am ashamed of. I am lucky to be alive.

    Now as I said I was trying to kill myself subconsciously I know that now so according to LOA I shouldn’t have gotten off the street all those negative vibrations, and it wasn’t until I was off the street that I had finally dealt with those feelings.

    I managed to get off the street partially due to the kindness of one really good person who gave me a job (after losing money to me at my shell table) and allowed me to sleep in the stock room of the convenience store he ran until I could afford a place of my own.

    From working in that convenience store as a clerk I got my own place again, rebuilt my life, moved to cooking at a Denny’s graveyard shift for more money until I could rebuild my relationship with my parents (which required relocating states) which had it’s own reasons for suicidal thoughts and feelings of worthlessness but a desire to make it up to them kept me alive.

    While rebuilding that relationship I got back in to IT, for a number of years, ended up working for a multinational company that had me traveling and eventually was promoted to heading up the IT department for Europe, which of course required a move.

    While based in Europe I worked for that company for an additional 3 years then was made redundant so I took up bouncing in a bar, and then stand up and improve comedy and met my wife. We moved back to north America which brings us back to the present. Sorry for the long wind to get to this.

    I should be dead, I am not … LOA doesn’t explain it not in the least, just like it doesn’t explain the countless members of MLMs like Amway who are living in squalor with their “Positive thought” brainwashing technique (I have a few former friends who are part of that with all the “inspirational messages” posted on their walls truly believing they are happy while their wife left them and their children are being taken away …. )

    You also mention that this blog is to flesh out new ideas and thoughts in one of your posts, yet the items I see throughout this blog have been around for a millennia either in the form of the “Dream time” of the Australian aboriginals, or countless other Shamantic beliefs that have been around north and south America that are considered today to be “New Age” there are also shades of Taoist teachings and other eastern philosophies that have been brought together in a way that really isn’t all that original at all ( look back over the 60’s 70’s and early 80’s and you will see these same topics and messages discussed here were brought up then ) and the difference was in the 60’s they weren’t trying to charge you to teach them to you that didn’t start until mid 70’s EST was one of the for runners for making a buck off this though for them it was more “Self Help”.

    I am sorry if this all seemed like an attack it is just reading over your blog for a couple of days now and everything about it reminds me of what I saw on the street about a hustle – from how you contradict yourself (and yes I re read your blog over and over ) to how you first call those that talk to their guides requiring “help” then backing up and saying she misunderstood when a woman talks about a very real fear that she might be going crazy because she does talk to her guides .. you back peddled so fast it makes my head spin .. to me you are nothing more than a conman of the EST variety and a dangerous one at that because you attack those who view things differently to you yet claim to be open. You claim to have been a lawyer yet can’t catch your own contradictions. Sorry you just come off like Jimmy who sold “Rolexes” down on Lumbard street, or Eddie who was just outside the Blue Note at second and south or myself when I ran my shell game just outside of Market Street live years ago.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    hi Dalben

    I acknowledge your comment. It made me feel under attack and unfairly judged. That’s probably proof enough that there’s something in it for me, because I suppose the Tao master I’d like to one day become would just laugh.

    Rather than send instant reply stating why I disagree with your judgments, let me Be with it for a while. I promise a detailed reply.

    If you don’t mind, a few clarifications might help. I assume you are trying to argue that your life experience is proof of divine intervention? Is that correct? If not, given you disagree with LOA, what’s your theory about why you lived and why things happen?

    Also do you have an example of me (a) contradicting myself or (b) attacking people who disagree with me? I found those claims to be odd.

    Incidentally, funny thought just popped into my head, we have at least one small thing in common – we have both hustled people on Lombard Street [note to Americans - this was once England's Wall Street]. Maybe even at the same time. Only you did it with shells and I did it upstairs at Barclays Bank wearing a suit. Apart from that, probably the same shtick. :-)

    More later,
    Simon

    PS this is an open forum, anyone is free to reply, agreeing or disagreeing with Dalben or providing examples.

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Dalben

    As I indicated above I felt quite attacked and annoyed. I didn’t want to take this out on you (or anyone) so I took time out to reflect and work on myself. I did get to the bottom of it, some childhood issues about my father misjudging me. There was some old hurt sitting there and I’m grateful to you for bringing it to my attention.

    I find myself quite strongly disagreeing with your comment on multiple levels – both personal and philosophical. Personally I feel you are projecting your own issues at me and judging me extremely unfairly. Philosophically – there are a number of logical fallacies especially in relation to LOA.

    My full reply I typed today is several pages. Given the length of this page already, I have decided to create a new article page and post my reply there. The personal stuff is just my ego and yours interacting but the philosophical part is worth sharing (and most of my readers will have finished with this page already as it’s 2 weeks old).

    I’ve already published today’s and tomorrow’s articles so my reply will be published Thursday.

    regards
    Simon

    PS Is “Dalben” a reference to the WoW character or to the wise man in my favorite childhood books, Chronicles of Prydain? I find myself hoping it’s the former because I’d be upset to have my childhood icon desecrated in this way! [Dalben had a choice of becoming the richest, strongest or wisest man ever, and the Dalben chose to be the wisest.]

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  24. I appreciate your post. Thumbs up :-) I suggest doing acupuncture

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  25. I have a comment to make concerning the thing that happened in Japan. You say that it was divine intervention that saved your life. What about the thousands that died, are you saying that you are more important in the eyes of God that all of those that died?

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    Simon Rose Reply:

    Robert – with all due respect, did you read this article? Your comment/question has no bearing at all on what I wrote, which is the exact opposite of what you are suggesting.
    I said really clearly and in bold< that "I do not believe in divine intervention of any sort.” I said how silly the while idea was.

    Your comment helps to demonstrate the silliness and indeed arrogance of such beliefs. If you could please read my post, are we in agreement?

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